pavillions last night

[BurnTire]

I personally wouldn't have even tried to hand out flyer's at the PAV's. Their history on the subject is well known. The majority of the mustangs there already know about the show. Yes they have their rules, but I have witnessed unprofessional conduct from the staff on multiple occasions. CMC is a class organization.

[Baknblk]

As I said I'm not taking sides. I just don't agree with how it was handled by either party. Like I said, its our choice to not attend their show and by all means if you don't like the rules they have, then don't go. However, since a clubs reputation is based upon and reflected in its members, arguing about wether someone is an idiot or not in public is not the right place to do so. Again, just my opinion.

I to have had issues at the Pavillions and I still choose to go..intelligent or not its a moot point as I can also chose not to return. I just felt that the actions as shown by the club representative were a bit out of line. I have more respect for any Mustang club and its members than I would have for the organizer, representative or whatever he is for the show itself.

[Baknblk]

"I personally wouldn't have even tried to hand out flyer's at the PAV's. Their history on the subject is well known."

Sir or Ma'am,

As you stated, their history is well known and I agree with you. At times not the best bunch of people to deal with. I was just trying to point out that the actions of the Coppertate Mustang member were just as out of line, again that is only my opinion and thank you for letting me share it. I guess all I'm trying to say is its the clubs and their members that keep this sport / hobby going, not the people that hold the shows or gatherings outside of the clubs themselves.

[BurnTire]

"I personally wouldn't have even tried to hand out flyer's at the PAV's. Their history on the subject is well known."

Sir or Ma'am,

As you stated, their history is well known and I agree with you. At times not the best bunch of people to deal with. I was just trying to point out that the actions of the Coppertate Mustang member were just as out of line, again that is only my opinion and thank you for letting me share it. I guess all I'm trying to say is its the clubs and their members that keep this sport / hobby going, not the people that hold the shows or gatherings outside of the clubs themselves.

Be sure to attend the October CMC show. Then you can judge first hand on how you feel the club is represented. Some remote incident between individuals is by no means an adequate method to measure the club as a whole.

Jeff

[Jacostang]

Although this is my first post on this forum, I have been involved in Mustangs and the Mustang community since 1993, to include numerous car shows and gatherings. Recently I decided to join the Copperstate Mustang club as they have always been involved not only in the Mustang side of things, but in helping the community as well.

Before I could join however I witnessed something that really dissapointed me and will deter me from joining. Just so everyone knows I am not trying to say anyone was right or wrong, just that it was handled the wrong way by all those involved.

I to was at the Pavillions this last Saturday when the "disagreement" took place over the flyers. Now, I don't agree with the representative from McDonalds and the way he handled it, but I also don't agree with the representation from Copperstate Mustang. To stand there and argue with someone and ask if he himself owned the parking lot, and who was he to tell them they couldn't hand out flyers was wrong, very wrong. Or to ask if your car had a Berge Ford sticker on it if you would be asked to leave. Things should have been handled much differently and in private by both parties.

Fortunately or unfortunately, if you don't agree with how things are run there and its definately not the only car show/gathering in town then don't go, I agree 100% with that. However, its their show wether we like it or not and you have to play by their rules, again wether you like it or not. I have found the best area at the Pavillions is where the Mustangs are, which is why I go.

What really turned me off though was the Copperstate Mustang club member who still approached people telling them, although I can't give you a flyer, if I leave it on the seat of the car you can just take one. And yes, I know of what I'm talking about as I'm one of the people that was approached. I'm quite sure Copperstate Mustang and any other club who organized an event would not like it if someone showed up and decided they were going to do what they want, no matter what the rules.

As this is a public forum I posted my opinion and I'm qutie sure many more will do the same. I know it wouldn't be a great loss to lose one new member to the club, but I'm quite sure this is not how the club should be represented. Any of us can pick another car show to go to, or another place to gather, however it is the club and its members who keep the sport alive and thriving.

Thank you for letting me express myself. Drive safe and keep the shiny side up.

I respect your opinion but you also did not see him yell at Trish which got her angry and just because another dealer gives him $100 he does not have to threaten anyone with like he did Trish... We even went back to talk with him with Nick, who has been there a long time and is a so called friend of Chico, who thought even for him he was way out of line... We have been handing out flyers with Earnhardt, Sandersons, Pioneer Fords logo on them for years and now all of a sudden its not ok,, 5 Star is now paying them to park new cars there, which we did not know. Chico also refused to answer any questions except to say "Its my Show, My Parking Lot and I dont care if you guys come or go." Nice Guy! We have never acted like that and we have donated thousands of dollars to their Thanksgiving food drive by matching donations that were collected by the Arizona Mustang Club but now the true colors have been flown. Its not about having fun anymore, its about the money.......All I wanted was a answer to why the change and he refused. Maybe we should have just goen quietly away but not after he threatened her and I would defend anyone who was being put down...

[RockysMom]

Ok Blk I will appologize to you due to the fact that its me you referring too, And by no means is that the way the club is. I felt very strongly out there as OUR club CMC has most of our 250 members out there for Thanksgiving and we match donations dollar for dollar to help out HIS cause. We expect the same courtesy when we have shows. He does not OWN that lot or the ground that people who bring thier cars out and park on. I spoke with the police officer, he just puts the GATHERING on. This is not a show etc.. THis club donates a lot of money to all kinds of charities all year long. If you judge one incident on how the club is then im sorry, but you will be missing out on quite a lot of fun and family things we do. As far as your opinion, Yes you are more than invited to voice it, far be it from me to deny you the right. I felt you should get the facts straight before you judge the club in a negative way. If you found out why I was so angry then you would have understood.

[Baknblk]

I would like to thank everyone for the replies, they were very welcomed and that is being said with sincerity, not sarcasm. I to would have stuck up for or helped a friend if they were being attacked, wether verbally or physically. I don't begrudge or blame anyone for that. My whole point of the post was that I felt it should have been handled different, on both sides. I did not know anything else was said in private or away from the crowd, so my apologies for that. However what I had to say was not made up or a stretch, as I was sitting right there when it happened. I did not appreciate the "hoster" of the shows attitude either just so everyone understands that. Sometimes people are put in positions that outweigh their intelligence by a great deal, and he seemed to be one of those people.

I had fully planned on attending the upcoming CMC show and from previous shows and or gatherings, I know it will be run very well and without stress or grief. Again, I am not putting anyone down and if nothing else, I do appreciate the comments from all members, CMC or otherwise.

[67 'Stang Lover]

I just started reading this thread and I hate to ask 'What happened last Saturday at the Pavillions'? I am not surprised though since I know that the Pavillions has gone downhill for a number of years now. My opinion. Response to- Baknblk, Jacostang and RockysMom:
Very good description of Posts and Opinions. Meant sincerely. This is what the Forums are for. I was not there that night but I can imagine what happened since this is not the 1st time for problems arising out there. Our Club is a First Class Club and the Board of Directors are great Rep's of the CMC. I know that Nick, Dave, Trish and others are out there every weekend supporting this great Hobby. The Pavillions organization will suffer without them and the CMC being out there every Saturday. What a shame this kind of stuff happens because it is a black eye for everyone. This Hobby is suffering already because of the Economy, Environmentalists, etc. I hope it doesn't get worse. BTW, if someone was yelling at my friend and/or co-club member I would go to their defense as well. Great thread dialogue though...............Have a safe day.
Steve.

[AZSonicSnake]

wow, the one night i stay home.

i will add is, do not judge the CMC from that one event. Everyone is human, and we all er at some point or another. From being involved with many car clubs, and having been a copperstate member for 3 years now,i can vouch that this is one of the best ran, and most polite clubs i have ever been a part of. The people that make up the CMC are just flat out amazing people, and very passionate about thier cars, and what not. I will always be proud to say i am a CMC member. Please make it out to the show, and you will see how an event is ran, and how much fun a real car show can be. I know the pavs has been the in thing for awhile now, but its more of a hangout than it will ever be a show.

[Rev'n Kevin]

Maybe contact the people that they're supporting with donations. I had a bad experience. I have a 96 SVT Cobra and was told to leave because more Corvets showed up than expected. I was there at 8AM and in my area. No other area was left when they asked me to move. I played deaf to their PA calls until I had seen all and then noticed the runt running the show reach inside my car and put it in neutral and jerk on the wheel, trying to strip the wheel lock. As I suggest, send the link to their people who want donations, and let them make some suggestions. I understand though he owns that section of the parking lot, tho he told me. That was my first and my last, without Copperstate or Mustangs Across America support.

Fang

I can't believe that happened, if someone reached into my car and did that they would have felt my tire iron on the back of their head, thats total BS. That was my first time going out to the pavs in over a year, and it will be my last.

I wasn't happy when the yellow viper pulled next to me and the gawkers showed no respect for my stang, continually brushing against my car, to look at the most over priced piece of crap ever built. The owner actually put his butt on my passenger door while opening his door to let some gal get in his car, I just about went off. You may have seen me standing across from the front of my car watching to make sure someone didn't scuff or scratch my car. Wonder why chico or whatever his name is didn't run the 2 vipers off the mustang lane, never-mind I already know the answer.

Other than seeing all my friends out there, seemed like the whole night sucked for most everyone.

I blame the whole thing on Austin, it was his idea to go out there