GM to file Chapter 11

[wickedcobra]

Yeah, I agree. It's time to break the union but it wont happen.

[HIKER]

Sorry man, if I was an extremely proud follower of the big three I'd be very pissed at them. Very pissed that they let outside companies walk all over them for superior products. Have we all forgotten 1977, when more cars were recalled in that year then built. That's mind blowning to think about. I remember the lemons my dad owned and all the trips downtown to the dealers to get things fixed. No wonder outside auto builders saw a chance and opportunity to move in. I do the same thing in my business when I see a potential client receiving an inferior report/product. I promiss them a superior product that doesn't come back 30-60-90 days later and bite them in the butt.

You don't just sit on your ass or on the high horse, you change your game plan and build a better product and get consumer confidence back.....and in the big three's case, they're about a decade too late.

Sure they have some some nice cars out now except for maybe the Ford Ranger and Chevy Colorado, but it will take another decade for these cars to prove themselves to the public.

It's a sad picture to the world when billionaire CEO's have to get on their kness and beg their govt for money....sad day indeed...

[HIKER]

Yeah, I agree. It's time to break the union but it wont happen.

+1.....

[BurnTire]

Yeah, I agree. It's time to break the union but it wont happen.

The average auto worker makes $28 an hour. Hardly big dollars, but a livable wage.

[CPViolation]

The average auto worker makes $28 an hour. Hardly big dollars, but a livable wage.

I'm not sure what skill level autoworkers have. Technicians in the Silicone valley make about $30.00 an hour.
That's after spending a long time in school. You should get paid by your skill level not what the unions can milk employers for.
$28.00 an hour = $17.00-$18.00 in the bay area.
Yea, you have to put effort into making decent money not thinking since your father, grandfather.. have x amount of time vested in GM, Ford or Mopar. you DESERVE $40.00 an hour.
I went back to school when I was 30 because I was at the top of my pay scale. I was complacent thinking I could support a wife and two daughters on the wages I was earning.
It seems fair to me that it takes some effort on your part..
Jeff

[wickedcobra]

The average auto worker makes $28 an hour. Hardly big dollars, but a livable wage.

Its not the guy who is working thats the problem or the hourly wage. Its the guys who by contract show up to work even if there is no work. Gets paid like the rest of them. The benefits are also a bit overboard. If I recall right, the japanese automakers make a pretty good car with out the union.

[Ruckus46gt]

all american car company's messed up giving the unions to much. They pay out so much damn money to retired people its not even funny.

[Jacostang]

Your right about the retired workers but their pension plans are keeing families afloat. My wifes Grandfather and his two sons all worked for GM and after 35 years they were rewarded with a nice pension. They say that the pension and insurance for the UAW is what is draining on the companies. I dont understand that the UAW refused to cut wages a bit to help out the entire workforce. What good is your pension if the company goes under..... Makes no sense what so ever....

Speaking of the 70's..
Quality was an issue for quite a while with many brands including the 76 Celica which was awarded on of the most dangerous cars around so it was all over the place...

Still you will never ever ever see a Honda, Nissan or Toyota in my garage and both my boys understand that......If you can buy a Ford then you better have a Chevy or a Dodge.

[AZSonicSnake]

The average auto worker makes $28 an hour. Hardly big dollars, but a livable wage.

livable? haha. wow. i must live at a severe level of poverty....

[HanksGT]

I agree. I look around and see multiple import brands in everyones driveway. Hmm, where did the profits go? Overseas! Like former President Bush saying sending our help desk jobs overseas wouldn't hurt the economy-sure it won't. If I find a product has overseas support, I return it.

Still you will never ever ever see a Honda, Nissan or Toyota in my garage and both my boys understand that......If you can't buy a Ford then you better have a Chevy or a Dodge.