Our Economy Now Effects Our Children's Future....

[1966PonyGirl]

Ive never ate shit and I dont get snidy and bitchy lol


Anyhow, their should be laws or something to were parents should do their job and BE parents or dont have kids to begin with if you dont have the money or time to spend time with your own kids. Thats should be a place to start not adding more stress to teachers.

I totally agree with regulating some of the people with the whole kid thing. Like Jaco said, you need a licence to drive. at the very bare minimum, they have to go thru an educational class/es. here is another thought.... you have to be 21 to drink you should have to be 18 years to have a kid unless you are emansipated (sp?) from your parents.

[princessturtle]

If you are not thrilled about the cuts, then i suggest going with the option of organizing the districts together and have a state wide walk out. no one can bring the k-12 kids to school? the parents are going to not like that, right? now these people have kids and have to work... and no one to watch the kids? hmmm might get some feed back on that.

You are sitting on your bottom, spending your valuable time complaining about a problem. a better and more positive way would be coming up with a solution.

Can't walk out. It's considered job abandonment and they can pursue legal consequences for it. If they get really mad, it's considered endangerment. Teachers aren't allowed to walk out at any point. It's part of the professional standards which we are held liable for. There isn't a teacher who will do a walk out because of this. We aren't like any other profession, what someone else can organize; we have laws and ethics that state we can't.

As for changing things, you assume that's a focus. Half day kinder may affect me right now, but it's not an emphasis of reform that needs to be fought for right now, in my opinion. Just sucks. My passion is in special education and when I can afford to spend the time and energy that is required for the position, my time will be spent with a specific disability group, trying to reform how their education is presented.

[princessturtle]

I totally agree with regulating some of the people with the whole kid thing. Like Jaco said, you need a licence to drive. at the very bare minimum, they have to go thru an educational class/es. here is another thought.... you have to be 21 to drink you should have to be 18 years to have a kid unless you are emansipated (sp?) from your parents.

This may be how you feel, but how would the government prevent child bearing? taking away the kids? I thought you guys didn't want the government involved in the personal lives. You have to choose one. Let the kids and idiots have kids or let government control our ability to populate and possibly much more.

Besides, it wouldn't matter. There are soooo many people who would be able to get this "license" or whatever and still not be able to take care of their kids. For example: I have a student whose parent works for CPS. When she put herself in the hospital for 3 weeks, CPS turned their head and let the kids stay home alone. Kids being 5, 7, 14. They stated that she was a good mother and the kids were well raised, so they would not do anything given the circumstances. Recently the student has been acting up. When questioned why, he said his mother tells his sister to beat him harder with what was described as a 4" belt at night. This not only qualifies as abuse on his part but on his sisters part as well since she is TOLD and in essence FORCED to beat her younger brother. In person, she is a WONDERFUL mother. Has well spoken children who are among the best in the school in behavior and academics. She shouldn't have those kids. The behavior from the student has gotten sooo bad from the things that happen at home that my final agreement with him is that if he has several good days, I'll ignore the bad days and not tell him mom or brother that he was in trouble. We're gonna ignore what and if I should be doing something to help him, cuz that's not something i'm gonna say.

[1966PonyGirl]

Can't walk out. It's considered job abandonment and they can pursue legal consequences for it. If they get really mad, it's considered endangerment. Teachers aren't allowed to walk out at any point. It's part of the professional standards which we are held liable for. There isn't a teacher who will do a walk out because of this. We aren't like any other profession, what someone else can organize; we have laws and ethics that state we can't.

As for changing things, you assume that's a focus. Half day kinder may affect me right now, but it's not an emphasis of reform that needs to be fought for right now, in my opinion. Just sucks. My passion is in special education and when I can afford to spend the time and energy that is required for the position, my time will be spent with a specific disability group, trying to reform how their education is presented.

Fear of an outcome will hold you back. if i remember correctly, it was possible death that people faced in the American Revolution. The nicest way i can say this: solve the problem. plan B is to put up (with it) or....

as for the large letters paragrah, i understand how its not an emphasis or the reform. the kinder class length was mentioned in your very first post in the thread. even if your passion is for special education, you can agree that it is quality time needed that specific group needs?

[BurnTire]

It is illegal to organize an illegal job action in a union environment. You can be fired, fined, and jailed for such activity.

[princessturtle]

Fear of an outcome will hold you back. if i remember correctly, it was possible death that people faced in the American Revolution. The nicest way i can say this: solve the problem. plan B is to put up (with it) or....

as for the large letters paragrah, i understand how its not an emphasis or the reform. the kinder class length was mentioned in your very first post in the thread. even if your passion is for special education, you can agree that it is quality time needed that specific group needs?

true. but starting a revolution by losing my job, my teaching certificate, and my career isn't gonna start a revolution. and it's certainly just gonna scare other teachers into staying put. A walk out isn't possible on any grounds and it's not a life or death decision. I would understand if it were something more critical than the amount of time the kids spend in school during one specific year. It is something that can be protested much less dramatically and still gain results.

and of course, any group of kids at any age just need that quality time, quality education, quality parents, and quality life. i truely believe that the only way to fight the idea of quality anything is to put up preventive measures that will only change how society pays and a certain profession interacts. Unless you want to be like China, there's not much more that can be done.

[princessturtle]

It is illegal to organize an illegal job action in a union environment. You can be fired, fined, and jailed for such activity.

maybe it's because i'm home being sick and my brain isn't working, but make this easier for me to read plz. little words do wonders right now....

[1966PonyGirl]

This may be how you feel, but how would the government prevent child bearing? taking away the kids? I thought you guys didn't want the government involved in the personal lives. You have to choose one. Let the kids and idiots have kids or let government control our ability to populate and possibly much more.

Besides, it wouldn't matter. There are soooo many people who would be able to get this "license" or whatever and still not be able to take care of their kids. For example: I have a student whose parent works for CPS. When she put herself in the hospital for 3 weeks, CPS turned their head and let the kids stay home alone. Kids being 5, 7, 14. They stated that she was a good mother and the kids were well raised, so they would not do anything given the circumstances. Recently the student has been acting up. When questioned why, he said his mother tells his sister to beat him harder with what was described as a 4" belt at night. This not only qualifies as abuse on his part but on his sisters part as well since she is TOLD and in essence FORCED to beat her younger brother. In person, she is a WONDERFUL mother. Has well spoken children who are among the best in the school in behavior and academics. She shouldn't have those kids. The behavior from the student has gotten sooo bad from the things that happen at home that my final agreement with him is that if he has several good days, I'll ignore the bad days and not tell him mom or brother that he was in trouble. We're gonna ignore what and if I should be doing something to help him, cuz that's not something i'm gonna say.

In that post i was illustrating how lesser things are regulated. What i was putting forth was the concept of educating people to at least give them the tools to a more thought out reason as to having kids. We teach kids about information and facts of life but not how to present questions to the facts in order to lead a more educated, non fact-regurgitated life.

[princessturtle]

In that post i was illustrating how lesser things are regulated. What i was putting forth was the concept of educating people to at least give them the tools to a more thought out reason as to having kids. We teach kids about information and facts of life but not how to present questions to the facts in order to lead a more educated, non fact-regurgitated life.

got it. this is a reform that has been trying to gain momentum for years now. it's slow in progression.

[1966PonyGirl]

It is illegal to organize an illegal job action in a union environment. You can be fired, fined, and jailed for such activity.

I would hope the union can be involved to execute some sort of action if you had a mass amount of teachers aiming toward the same goal. i would imagine if they are in place to avoid walk outs, they would be in place to help mediate an issue such as unrealistic school budget cuts.