Our Economy Now Effects Our Children's Future....

[ThePunisher95]

I love how people say you have a shitty attitude when everyone is just posting their 02 cents and yet your posting how YOU think it should be fixed when all it is your 02 cents also. Dont get your panties all wet cuz people dont agree with you.

[ThePunisher95]

And just because someone doesnt have kids of their own doesnt mean he cant have a say it like you make it seem like. He can have cousins, nieces, little brother or something he loves.

[BurnTire]

I have no problem with half day kindergarten. Hell, I think I turned out fine and that's all I went through. Took all honors and AP classes. Started freshman year of college with 34 credit hours since I took calculus and whatnot in high school. Four years later and I'm about to graduate with a BS in Molecular Biosciences and Biotechnology. Can't say it impacted me negatively as I think that kind of degree speaks for itself. Most of my friends who did well in school didn't do full day either.

I'm sorry you feel that AIMS is so damn difficult and that meeting its standards are tough. I've got news for those who've never taken those tests, educators make them up to be harder than they really are. If a child cannot pass those tests I think they should be held back until they can and that if a school as a whole is failing as a whole that they should be held accountable.

As far as the parents not teaching their kids anything goes, not all parents are like that. At the same time, it's not hard to whip kids into line. You have to be firm and it's not terribly difficult, you just have to be firm with them rather than constantly trying to be their friend and give into them like many parents and teachers do.

The whole school system is not going to fail because of budget cuts, the sky isn't falling. Honestly I think schools have needed this for quite some time as there are a lot of unnecessary costs in many of the public schools and they could use their budget trimmed. I hope that with the budget cuts that school districts take a step back and really get a hold of their budgets. (Same goes for ASU...they REALLY need to fix their shitty budget. One of the highest paid presidents for what, a crappy school)

Molecular Biosciences and Biotechnology

Boy Andrew you sound like a real dummy. Maybe you should have majored in education you know that is a much harder major.

[1966PonyGirl]

You sure have a ****y attitude about how to deal with a child considering you have none of your own.

I love how people talk about shit that they have absolutely no clue about.

I ran a preschool class room with a curriculum for two years. i know how to deal with a children. Its the parents that dont understand that they are the number one person they learn from.

You have a lot of people who bring children in the world with absolutly no forethought. Oops! jane doe accidently got pregnate! or oops! someone had 50 babies and is a single parent and wants more kids. What happens in these situations: the government/schools raise them.

You, Princessturtle, as a teacher will have to keep doing the great job you are doing. In a year or two, in light of the economy, you will have to give more for far less. Your choice is to A) continue teaching and start a movement to inspire parents to not work 5 jobs in order to keep up with bills so they can spend more time on kids or B) encourage people to STOP having kids (way before they find they are pregnant) and teach them to have better reasons to bring kids into the world.

If you have a better option on tackling the problem besides complaining about the schools getting cuts, go for it! be passionate about something and go thru with it.

[1966PonyGirl]

[Jacostang]

Well there is alot of truth in what you say the fact is somewhere down the road we need to do something about responsibility in having kids. That lady in Cali had no business doing what she did and her quote I jsut wanted to have children was absolute BS when she already had 6. Now who is going to raise 14?? Guess who??? John and Jane Taxpayer.

You need a License to drive a car, serve food or even catch a fish but anyone can have children even if they shouldn't.........

[IMSHAKN]

From what I know, and I could be wrong, you didn't graduate from AZ schools... And AIMS is specific to Arizona and the AIMS that you may have taken wasn't the same as this AIMS. AIMS- ARIZONA instrument for measuring standards. AIMS was reconfigured probably after you took it, if you did. The first version of AIMS was too easy to pass, so the state decided they needed to change it. Statistics say that it should get a bell curve result on scores. So AZ made sure it got the bell curve. Yes schools should be held accountable, but more so then the schools is the individual teachers. There's some horrible teachers. For the past 2 years I've been stuck with teachers next door that can't meet standards and have a tendency to scream at their students all day.

So if schools need budget cuts, why are so many teachers barely getting paid and many schools in the phoenix metro area thinking about bankruptcy? The Roosevelt School District alone cut several teachers after the beginning of the year due to budgets and there are classes with over 40 kinder students in them. Cartwright School District is closing 5 of their schools next year, including their preschool.

You sure have a ****y attitude about how to deal with a child considering you have none of your own.

I love how people talk about shit that they have absolutely no clue about.

Lol. I am an Arizonan native so I've got plenty of first hand experience with the stupid tests. I've got experience with both tests and there were probably less than 20 people in our school of 3000 who graduated my year with multiple exceeds the standards. Those who didn't exceed all tests but had exceeded one were pulled aside and ASKED to take the AIMS again for the sole purpose of inflating their scores. The test really is NOT difficult if we are teaching students at the level they should be learning. The problem is that we are NOT teaching the children at the level I feel they should be taught. The curriculums are too weak they really do not push the students to their full potentials. My freshman year of high school I couldn't stand how slow paced my math class was so I self taught myself freshman and sophomore math and was done just after winter break. I shit you not. There were simply a number of occasions during my times in public school where I felt the curriculum was lacking or at a pace much too slow to be appropriate.

I say that schools need budget cuts until they stop wasteful spending and start holding their teachers accountable. I realize what classroom sizes are like and have been in classrooms where there have not been enough actual desks for students. I realize the budgets schools are on, but I don't think that the problem is entirely a monetary problem and is more the result of an inept public education system that uses lack of funds as an excuse. Nor do I believe that teachers are grossly underpaid as if you were to extrapolate their pay for an entire years worth of work you'd have an income that is considered to be fairly average for a years worth of work. Sure, it would be nice for teachers to be paid a little better, but who doesn't want to be paid more? I'm just not convinced that the issue of our public schools is a monetary issue after the research I did back in high school for a number of papers on issues plaguing our public schools.

I spent my years in high school tutoring other students both in class and out because the teachers simply couldn't relate concepts/problems in ways that students could grasp or the teachers simply did not care. I did this for nothing other than the fact that I wanted to help out my friends and peers.

[princessturtle]

Lol. I am an Arizonan native so I've got plenty of first hand experience with the stupid tests. I've got experience with both tests and there were probably less than 20 people in our school of 3000 who graduated my year with multiple exceeds the standards. Those who didn't exceed all tests but had exceeded one were pulled aside and ASKED to take the AIMS again for the sole purpose of inflating their scores. The test really is NOT difficult if we are teaching students at the level they should be learning. The problem is that we are NOT teaching the children at the level I feel they should be taught. The curriculums are too weak they really do not push the students to their full potentials. My freshman year of high school I couldn't stand how slow paced my math class was so I self taught myself freshman and sophomore math and was done just after winter break. I shit you not. There were simply a number of occasions during my times in public school where I felt the curriculum was lacking or at a pace much too slow to be appropriate.

I say that schools need budget cuts until they stop wasteful spending and start holding their teachers accountable. I realize what classroom sizes are like and have been in classrooms where there have not been enough actual desks for students. I realize the budgets schools are on, but I don't think that the problem is entirely a monetary problem and is more the result of an inept public education system that uses lack of funds as an excuse. Nor do I believe that teachers are grossly underpaid as if you were to extrapolate their pay for an entire years worth of work you'd have an income that is considered to be fairly average for a years worth of work. Sure, it would be nice for teachers to be paid a little better, but who doesn't want to be paid more? I'm just not convinced that the issue of our public schools is a monetary issue after the research I did back in high school for a number of papers on issues plaguing our public schools.

I spent my years in high school tutoring other students both in class and out because the teachers simply couldn't relate concepts/problems in ways that students could grasp or the teachers simply did not care. I did this for nothing other than the fact that I wanted to help out my friends and peers.

Really well said. But you need to realize something. You are well spoken, you have a bad ass degree, and you taught not only yourself curriculum, but others. Your issue here then isn't with teachers, nor is it with the schools. You need to do some research on the NCLB act. Not all students can keep the pace it sounded like you kept. NCLB requires that teachers keep the pace of the lowest student and adjust the curriculum to match that student.

I ran a preschool class room with a curriculum for two years. i know how to deal with a children. Its the parents that dont understand that they are the number one person they learn from.

You have a lot of people who bring children in the world with absolutly no forethought. Oops! jane doe accidently got pregnate! or oops! someone had 50 babies and is a single parent and wants more kids. What happens in these situations: the government/schools raise them.

You, Princessturtle, as a teacher will have to keep doing the great job you are doing. In a year or two, in light of the economy, you will have to give more for far less. Your choice is to A) continue teaching and start a movement to inspire parents to not work 5 jobs in order to keep up with bills so they can spend more time on kids or B) encourage people to STOP having kids (way before they find they are pregnant) and teach them to have better reasons to bring kids into the world.

If you have a better option on tackling the problem besides complaining about the schools getting cuts, go for it! be passionate about something and go thru with it.

I have no right to suggest, imply or otherwise state that the parents should not be having children. That crosses many professional lines. The most I can do is help the parents that want the help and require them to do the homework with their kids. Early on, I told my parents that their kids would not pass my class if they did not do homework every night with their kid. Even my parents that work late have to work with their student.

I love how people say you have a shitty attitude when everyone is just posting their 02 cents and yet your posting how YOU think it should be fixed when all it is your 02 cents also. Dont get your panties all wet cuz people dont agree with you.

I never said shitty. I said c0cky. thus why it's * out.

If you guys actually read the posts, i have said it was the parents that need to step up, however it's not going to happen. There's not much you can do about it. I have stated that society and teachers are the only ones that you can really force to do anything about the ill-parenting.




You guys also have to realize that when I post something that may sound snide or bitchy, I haven't eaten shit in over 2 months. Literally.

[IMSHAKN]

Really well said. But you need to realize something. You are well spoken, you have a bad ass degree, and you taught not only yourself curriculum, but others. Your issue here then isn't with teachers, nor is it with the schools. You need to do some research on the NCLB act. Not all students can keep the pace it sounded like you kept. NCLB requires that teachers keep the pace of the lowest student and adjust the curriculum to match that student.

I understand what NCLB states as it's something I've read several times for several of the research papers I did on education. I think that piece of legislation is a bunch of BS as I think it limits what is being taught by placing more emphasis on teaching to the tests as it holds schools accountable for their performance on the federally mandated state issued tests.

In addition to shitty legislation regarding the standards of the school system I do blame the teachers as they do not help stimulate academic interest nor do they challenge their students or help develop them into being critical thinkers. I can't count how many students I know who have had little to no outside homework during high school and middle school. Something is wrong with that picture as it leads me to believe that students are not being challenged.

[BurnTire]

I understand what NCLB states as it's something I've read several times for several of the research papers I did on education. I think that piece of legislation is a bunch of BS as I think it limits what is being taught by placing more emphasis on teaching to the tests as it holds schools accountable for their performance on the federally mandated state issued tests.

In addition to shitty legislation regarding the standards of the school system I do blame the teachers as they do not help stimulate academic interest nor do they challenge their students or help develop them into being critical thinkers. I can't count how many students I know who have had little to no outside homework during high school and middle school. Something is wrong with that picture as it leads me to believe that students are not being challenged.

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