i never said that anyone other than the parents needed to raise the child. nor did i ever say that the government needed to step in for the parents. ur taking it one step further in saying that the government just needs to control the kids. either i wrote it wrong or u read it wrong.

what i'm saying is that teachers need to step in and during the time they have the kids, teach them everything that they lacked from the parents. full day kinder helps to do this. parents can't be forced to teach their kids letter sounds, names, reading, counting, etc. instead, they come to full day kinder where they are expected to learn that along with any other skills that the parents neglected to teach them. you know, manners and basic skills that are often supposed to be taught long before they enter the schooling system. when the teacher has to step in to teach a kid that it's not ok to hurt, to wash their hands, flush the toliet, cover their mouths, not push, not shove, not sit on another kid, etc, THAT is called parenting, regardless that it's the teacher that is teaching them these skills.

and fwiw: as far as the government taking over the kids' lives. that's what cps, foster homes, and boarding school is for. essentially same thing.

if this helps, out of 23 kinders at the beginning of the year, not a single one of them knew more than 5 letter names. 2 knew up to 5 letter names. 1 knew at least 3 letter sounds. That same 1 that knew some names and sounds also had manners and knew how to count to 5. That would be 1... Lol... So for 1 kid in my class, I'm not parenting. Now, for the other 22...