Our Economy Now Effects Our Children's Future....

[White90GT]

True, but dont you think parents should also teach their kids? Parents these days cant even teach their own kids manners or how to behave or even have some respect for others or even material things.

Never said parents shouldn't be on the hook for their kids well being

My biggest bitch as a parent (when my kids were younger) is that my kids see what other kids are allowed to get away with and then I have to curb the attitude my kids brought home. Now that they are teenagers I find it humorous when they come home and tell me how jacked up their friends are

When your kids can point out what other people are doing wrong, as well as avoiding those situations on their own, then you know you've done your job as a parent and given them the necessities to make it on their own.

[princessturtle]

My Parents taught me that manners, respect, and hard work is the way to succeed. I could do everything that you mentioned above going into kinder.

So you try to point the children in the right direction. Then the parents don't care.

The Problem is with the parents.

Fine to me was successfully reaching my career goals. The educational and technical requirements to be in my position are extremely high. All went well for only having 1/2 day of kinder.

That's completely understandable, but it doesn't happen. For the vast majority of children, the parents either don't know or don't care about the things that your parents taught you. Taking away a chunk of their kinder day and essentially that year in which they NEED to learn all that stuff isn't going to make the parents step it up. It'll only make it worse for teachers, schools, and later on, society.

You are exactly right with your version of fine. Someone's fine may be to graduate HS, while others may be to get a PHD. However, this fine is heavily affected when the children get a bad education followed by bad home circumstances. If they are at least given a chance in the educational setting, it can change the damage done in the home setting and allow them to choose where they want to go, rather than be given no choice what-so-ever. My job as a teacher is to give my students the most choices in life. Nothing else. It's not to get them to college, but instead to give them the tools they would need, might they wish to go.


An example of one of my parents: I have a girl, I adore her. She's well behaved, spoiled by Mom. Came in and 1/4 through the year could still not tell me a single sound, letter name, or count. When I told the Mom this, the only reply was, "Well, she never had preschool. This is the first schooling she's had." The mom means well, but she doesn't know, nor does she understand what is needed from them. It goes with the idea that kinder should just be fun with little to no academic learning.

[ttocs]

I've heard countless people say that parents should no longer be held liable for their children's behaviors, but rather the teachers?!?! Who else is there if the parents won't...

That is because they do not want to be responsible for the way their kids act. being single with no children I have noticed that my dog is often better behaved(off a leash) then most of the kids I see while the parents act like they didn't see or hear what their kid is up to.

My dad did not beat me but didn't need to do anything more then give me a serious look to get my attention. I am not sure why kids of today are immune to this?

[ThePunisher95]

That's completely understandable, but it doesn't happen. For the vast majority of children, the parents either don't know or don't care about the things that your parents taught you. Taking away a chunk of their kinder day and essentially that year in which they NEED to learn all that stuff isn't going to make the parents step it up. It'll only make it worse for teachers, schools, and later on, society.

You are exactly right with your version of fine. Someone's fine may be to graduate HS, while others may be to get a PHD. However, this fine is heavily affected when the children get a bad education followed by bad home circumstances. If they are at least given a chance in the educational setting, it can change the damage done in the home setting and allow them to choose where they want to go, rather than be given no choice what-so-ever. My job as a teacher is to give my students the most choices in life. Nothing else. It's not to get them to college, but instead to give them the tools they would need, might they wish to go.


An example of one of my parents: I have a girl, I adore her. She's well behaved, spoiled by Mom. Came in and 1/4 through the year could still not tell me a single sound, letter name, or count. When I told the Mom this, the only reply was, "Well, she never had preschool. This is the first schooling she's had." The mom means well, but she doesn't know, nor does she understand what is needed from them. It goes with the idea that kinder should just be fun with little to no academic learning.

I read some of it, I dont care what people have to say bout how schools are bad and what not these days. It is not there fault for the most part. If the parents dont care why the hell are the kids gonna care about their education. The parents should be at fault for the behavier of their own kids, not the schools. My dad just went to the sixth grade, and at 50 he retired. He can leave of what he has made in his past and have anything he wants. His parents thought him manners, respect, and hard work. Like on e of the members said, dogs have better manners these days than kids. Same thing here all I needed was a dirty look from my parents and you best to believe I knew exactly what I needed to do.

[princessturtle]

That is because they do not want to be responsible for the way their kids act. being single with no children I have noticed that my dog is often better behaved(off a leash) then most of the kids I see while the parents act like they didn't see or hear what their kid is up to.

My dad did not beat me but didn't need to do anything more then give me a serious look to get my attention. I am not sure why kids of today are immune to this?

They aren't. i give my kids a dirty look and they freeze in their place and fix whatever they're doing. If they don't, there's immediate consequences. Children that don't respond to nasty looks are often not taught what they mean. To them, a dirty look is probably nothing more than a weird or scary face. Unless the parents or teachers have taught them that a look means they are doing something bad and there will be consquences, then it means nothing.

[ttocs]

I swear my dad had lazers that would come out of his eyes. They would glow bright red for a second and if you could stop WHATEVER it was that you were doing at that EXACT moment then they would not cause any pain to your backside. I could be in a dead sprint going after my dream of the gold medal and I have been conditioned to freeze dead still in a millisecond. It has been years since he did his trick but I am willing to bet as an adult in my 30s it would still work today.

[princessturtle]

I read some of it, I dont care what people have to say bout how schools are bad and what not these days. It is not there fault for the most part. If the parents dont care why the hell are the kids gonna care about their education. The parents should be at fault for the behavier of their own kids, not the schools. My dad just went to the sixth grade, and at 50 he retired. He can leave of what he has made in his past and have anything he wants. His parents thought him manners, respect, and hard work. Like on e of the members said, dogs have better manners these days than kids. Same thing here all I needed was a dirty look from my parents and you best to believe I knew exactly what I needed to do.

sooo... leave the kids with bad parents to learn their parents' mistakes. when the child gets older and has children of their own??? slipery slope.

that's the easiest and could be possibly most ignorant thing to do. leave them up to their own devices and see what happens. teachers are only responsible for academics... problem will only get worse though.

it has to stop somewhere and someone needs to come in to try to stop or even reverse the damage. it SHOULD be the parents that do this, not the teachers. but when a child has no chance at home, it shouldn't be that he has no chance in life either. home life will always be a factor in what happens with a child and how they grow up, however it shouldn't be the sole determinant.

i used to argue that it's not a teacher's place to be a parent. Sandbagger Steve (I believe???) is the one that argued up a wall about being wrong. I was.

[AZ-GT]

I think I lost focus somewhere on this thread.

Do I get the premise right, the percentage of bad parents far exceeds good parents, therefore Dear Leader needs to have more time with/control of the everyone's children?

[Bandit]

[princessturtle]

i never said that anyone other than the parents needed to raise the child. nor did i ever say that the government needed to step in for the parents. ur taking it one step further in saying that the government just needs to control the kids. either i wrote it wrong or u read it wrong.

what i'm saying is that teachers need to step in and during the time they have the kids, teach them everything that they lacked from the parents. full day kinder helps to do this. parents can't be forced to teach their kids letter sounds, names, reading, counting, etc. instead, they come to full day kinder where they are expected to learn that along with any other skills that the parents neglected to teach them. you know, manners and basic skills that are often supposed to be taught long before they enter the schooling system. when the teacher has to step in to teach a kid that it's not ok to hurt, to wash their hands, flush the toliet, cover their mouths, not push, not shove, not sit on another kid, etc, THAT is called parenting, regardless that it's the teacher that is teaching them these skills.

and fwiw: as far as the government taking over the kids' lives. that's what cps, foster homes, and boarding school is for. essentially same thing.

if this helps, out of 23 kinders at the beginning of the year, not a single one of them knew more than 5 letter names. 2 knew up to 5 letter names. 1 knew at least 3 letter sounds. That same 1 that knew some names and sounds also had manners and knew how to count to 5. That would be 1... Lol... So for 1 kid in my class, I'm not parenting. Now, for the other 22...