sshhhhh... you guys are gonna piss off all the harley riders..lol. everyone knows them thing are pigshit slow and loud as hell. IMO loud pipes do save lives. i dont mind loud beautiful cars, its the damn 4x4 trucks with the full 3" exhaust(which completely robs low end desperately needed by a 5000 pound slug) that i think is ridiculous. or how about the ricers with the huge chrome fart cans hangin out the back. that mustang is WAYYY cooler than a civic with a bro muffler.