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[Cammer]

They travel via a keyboard. Here's what I know, I don't support Toyota's misrepresentation of their brand using a domestic layout in order to achieve more sales in the showrooms.

You obviously do for reasons that I've yet you see you make a case for other than over simplified reasoning such as "because nascar says so"

I've pointed out direct facts in relation to the auto industry which you seem to object to, yet can't for whatever reason counter point for point.

Spare us the misdirection with the rest of it, you don't agree with any point that I've made here, by all means address it. Until you can at least attempt to do that, you really don't have a valid argument.

[ChuckD]

Your point is that Toyota shouldn't be in Nascar cause its a foreign company, am I correct. And yes they said so. Its in their rule book and has been for years. They own the company and therefor can do what they want. Would you as an owner of a company want someone else tell you what you can and can't do. It would be yours you could do what ever you want to with it.

[ChuckD]

OH and with them meeting the requirements that Nascar had set. They created teams, which created jobs.

[Cammer]

Your point is that Toyota shouldn't be in Nascar cause its a foreign company, am I correct. And yes they said so. Its in their rule book and has been for years. They own the company and therefor can do what they want. Would you as an owner of a company want someone else tell you what you can and can't do. It would be yours you could do what ever you want to with it.

So you homestly don't even know my position after all of this? I don't think Toyota should be using a cam in block, domestic push-rod design, along with a live axle, and four link suspension setup to represent themselves in American motorsports. Especially seeing as how (unlike their competitors on the track) they have not offered that layout in one single production car.

Small block push-rods produced by Chevrolet to date? -- 90 million!!

From Toyota? -- zero.

See?

And I disagree with their motivation for being in nascar (to move more foreign autos and conquer a particular domestic market) In other words wrapping themselves in the flag on two fronts to achieve their objectives; competing on the race track, and selling autos in this country.

[ChuckD]

And I am pretty much positive Nascar doesn't care what you think or I? So are you saying Ford, GM, Chrysler should only sell cars in the USA? So they need to pull out of Europe, South America, Austrailia? I do see you don't like Toyota thats pretty obvious, but you are making it sound like they are the only one to do this. What plant did you get laid off from?

[Cammer]

And I am pretty much positive Nascar doesn't care what you think or I?

That doesn't even make any sense, is that a question, or a statement?

So are you saying Ford, GM, Chrysler should only sell cars in the USA?

What does the layout of a stock car have to do with global car companies who manufacture? Again, the domestics are global (but they're headquartered in this country) That has zero bearing on the layout of a sedan series race car, and that layout being traced back to the bloodline of the manufacturer (the production lines) Two completely different things we're talking about Chuck. Fact is that of the four manufacturers in nascar, the only one who you can't trace that layout back to, is Toyota.

but you are making it sound like they are the only one to do this.

Give me one other example in the history of motorsports where one car manufacturer has cloned the entire layout of another all in order to compete against them on the track. When the Mustang goes drift racing, they don't convert the entire layout and power train to match a Honda now, do they Chuck?

What plant did you get laid off from?

Hey, remember the advice from our moderator and refrain from the condescending remarks, k? So how's this workin out for ya? Going to take another shot at attempting to change a valid point about the layout of the actual race cars to global sales?

I'm glad you're still posting though, because this gives anybody who happens across it a really clear view of how baseless your arguments actually are in support of foreign car corps who merely assemble their product here.

And I do extend my appreciation out to the mod, I'd get a bit riled if a new poster swung into my forum to challenge me as well (and perhaps I was a bit abrasive) But it's not anything personal, it's the premise of the subject matter. Those like Chuck who drag their feet on such a cut and dry issue as this, are a liability to us all (especially stang owners), because they feed others wrong information, and ascert it as fact.

And to Chuck again, c'mon Chuck, how many facts do you need to take up a little more of a support role for your own auto industry, and objecting to a Japanese car co. faking their performance image out on the race track to sell more foreign product?

[ChuckD]

How do you do the multiple quotes thing. I am so stupid I can't figure it out.

[BurnTire]

Press this button then place the text you want between the quote tags.

[ChuckD]

[Cammer]