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[04WhininCobra]

show him whose boss jeff!

[Cammer]

Please, you can press than ban button whenever you want. You're a message board administrator, big deal.

What I did there was present facts that were in direct relation to the topic. Bannnig me at this point is going to look worse on your part Mr. authority figure by those reading and following along who aren't as vocal as some of your other condescending members here. Don't forget, without the membership, you've got no message board in the first place.

The condecending began with Chuck telling me to go under a rock in case you've forgot, or aren't following along.

So if you're going to censor me, go ahead. But don't be a supreme communist and censor the legitimate info at least.

[BurnTire]

Please, you can press than ban button whenever you want. You're a message board administrator, big deal.

What I did there was present facts that were in direct relation to the topic. Bannnig me at this point is going to look worse on your part Mr. authority figure by those reading and following along who aren't as vocal as some of your other condescending members here. Don't forget, without the membership, you've got no message board in the first place.

The condecending began with Chuck telling me to go under a rock in case you've forgot, or aren't following along.

So if you're going to censor me, go ahead. But don't be a supreme communist and censor the legitimate info at least.

Blah Blah Blah. You dig up a 2 year old topic for the sole purpose of creating drama.

People join this site to share their passion for Mustangs.

Why don't you let everyone know why you joined this site?

Do you even have a Ford?

[crazy ray]

Wow. I am actually not a NASCAR fan so I could give two craps about whether Toyota is in the races or not.

This is actually a very good forum. We don't allow retards, degenerates, and assholes here. You seem to fit somewhere in that mix. So if you want to calm your butt down if you want to stay or leave, I won't lose any sleep over it.

Thank You. There are other sites for people like that.Who cares who is in the race. If you have a car that can stay with the pack let them race. They have to meet the same stanards as all the other manufactures, so as long as they do that, let them race.

[ChuckD]

Oh great, I follow my mail back here to see the popcorn message. That's easy to do as opposed to think and type isn't it?

First thing to just get across, I signed up here to address the initial post (the Bagwell anti yoda charade) That guy was a moron, and instead of getting his facts together, only helped to worsen the situation. I'm not here to stir up, I'm here just to get the facts out there in regard to both nascar and the auto industry in general.

I hit all kinds of forums foreign and domestic, been banned from a few, and I could care less as long as I spread the word while I'm waiting for a pot of coffee to brew or whatever. As far as forums lately (especially domestic boards) 'Hiker' and his buddy 'Chuck' have been the only vocal opposition I've faced so far (that says a lot)

Now Chuck might be sticking up for Hiker because of message board comradery or whatever the hell the reason is, and I might have rubbed somebody the wrong way (that's understandable). But that's when you question the messengers delivery (not attempt to dismiss a legitimate message presented to you along with fact because you want to run to the aid of a forum buddy) That's how a punk operates (you got that Chuck?)

I'm not bashing an entire forum of people of course, just a few loud mouths who over post and don't know what they're talking about. The same type of morons who will bash Camaros all day, yet defend Supras. So a forum ban? I could care less, like I said, I'm just throwing facts out there because I've seen people struggle with voicing opposition to a foreign company and get dumped on their heads simply because the facts weren't made available to them.

But as domestic owners, what we need is a large number to step up when morons like Hiker start with their "Toyota is employing Americans bullshit' Toyota is employing a drop in the bucket here in comparison to what's headquartered here. So as domestic owners it would do everybody the benefit to have multiple posters (who know just a little fact on these issues) step up to the plate when these idiots sprout their disinfo. Good luck.

Actually I have never met Hiker, but the comment he said was the truth. Now back on topic. You talk about the foreign companies here like they have only taken away from the economy. Take a look at alot of American companies that have went to other countries for labor. Ford, GM, Chrysler, Whirlpool and the list goes on. Its not the foreign companies that has done what has been done to the economy. Its the greed of the major corps. Now to the HMMVV, why is the gov't looking to replace it if its so great? How do I know this? I was one of the ones that was hit with an IED and have been in medical care since 07 and told that I couldn't go back to work. I am a PUNK that fights for your rights to say what you want to say and allows you to show how much of an ass you are being. You are probably a laid off UAW worker that now doesn't have daddies coat tail to hang on to anymore and thinks it sucks cause the American people don't want to pay you $38 an hour to sit on your tush and not do a damn thing. Then wants to whore forums talking smack which you haven't did enough research on. So while you are waiting on your coffee to brew do a little digging on Corporate America and get back with me.

[Cammer]

I didn't know it was two years old, I just found it through google and started reading. Yeah I do own a Ford, I own an F-150 FX4 model that I've had for under a year. Performance wise, I've owned a Chevelle since '95. At the dealership I was liking the halo model out front, the Shelby. Last Mustang I sat in was a 2004 Saleen convert which a drinking buddy of mine paid twelve grand for wrecked, and then proceeded to completely bring back. I don't know all the details, but I'm sure the first fifth gen Camaro hooked up to a wrecker in this town, he'll have his hands on because he's into the collision business. I'm not a particular 'make' guy, so I don't waste my time pitting domestics against domestics like so many are prone to do, when the real threat to the industry doesn't even build a pony car.

Thank You. There are other sites for people like that.Who cares who is in the race. If you have a car that can stay with the pack let them race. They have to meet the same stanards as all the other manufactures, so as long as they do that, let them race

Well see that's my entire point, how have they met the same standards? And hey like I said, nobody can force you to read a particular topic. But if you disagree with it, engage in it, why waste your time with "I hate this topic and I hate reading it"

???

Perhaps somebody out there who doesn't post thinks the same about one of your general chat topics. And what have they done exactly that you feel they should compete? Just because they assemble a commuter car here? You are aware that if it was a level playing field as far as the industry goes, they wouldn't even be assembling here, right? And if it was up to the imports, there would be no Mustangs, because as much as they want to move their product in this market, and represent themselves using a rwd, mid size, forward mounted small block out on a race track; they refuse to build it.

They're in nascar misrepresenting themselves in attempt to win over the full size truck market (the last hold the domestics really have in the market) They conquer that with the aid of nascar manipulation, and guess what? Ford will be forced to cut back even more, might even quit production on the model that you flock to this forum over. So you're all for that? It wouldn't bother you that almost 50 years of Mustang production could stop due to the fact that your average American really can't gauge what's going on thinking a Japanese company is even more 'American' than a legitimate American car company is?

They dump millions into PR campaigns in hopes off selling themselves off as American with an agenda to topple the legitimate American companies to send more profit back to Japan, bottom line. The reason they've been so successful at it, is because Americans allow themselves to not only be bought into it, but have your attitude and don't even like to discuss it. Instead of doing their own thinking, they settle on the information given to them by other clueless Americans who buy into the spin campaigns of 'imports are built here, and domestics are assembled in Mexico'

Pretty outrageous considering that no Americans should have to be convinced into vocally supporting their own auto industry. Especially when it was that industry that's pulled the country that you live in through two world wars, and numerous other conflicts, buildng everything from Airplanes, to the 'GM manufactured 'grease gun' during the Vietnam conflict. You know what, it does matter to you, only you wouldn't acknowledge it until it was way too late, and then sit around wondering how Japan has a monopoly on what is driven in this country.

[ChuckD]

Well see that's my entire point, how have they met the same standards?

Cause NASCAR said they did otherwise they wouldn't let them.

[jtleng]

Thanks cammer, Is this better for you.

[Cammer]

Cause NASCAR said they did otherwise they wouldn't let them.

Correction, it's because they wrote a lot of zeros on the checks to Brian France who merely inherited his racing series. Sorry, but just because Brain France sells out on an American institution, I don't blindly follow along with it.

Just like I'd oppose transvestites in the miss America pageant (hey, they technically slapped on the necessary parts right?) still doesn't make them legitimate in my eyes (especially to be represented on that order). Unlike yourself, I don't think American institutions should have a price attached to them. Obviously you do.

[ChuckD]

How do you know what I think? I would really like to know the process of how my thaughts travel to your head. So tell us a little more about yourself, like where your from, occupation. We will all help you with your situation. You have made a big step in talking with us. You have let us know you have a problem, admission is the first step and you got that out of the way. We helped Brad and we can help you. Do you need a hug?