Fans Against Racing Toyotas T-Shirt!!!!

[Jacostang]

Lets all calm down a bit folks and watch the personal attacks. Opinions are great but we are adults here, mostly.. Good talking points and for me... You will never ever see me buy a Toyota, Nissan or Honda.. Ever I am a Ford Guy True Blue but my wifes whole family is in Defiance Ohio and built GM for over 60 years but are being shut down. Remember Clintons NAFTA????? Had a huge impact on things built here in The USA...

[Cammer]

Well, this isn't soley about nascar either (it's about getting the facts out in regard to all the spin when it comes to jobs, manufacturing, domestic content, yen manipulation, imports etc.)

Like I said, I'm not here to stir anything up, I'm just here to counter that initial claim. But if you guys want to be dicks when I'm wasting my time to spread legit info in your forum in regard to your own auto industry, well I'll be an even bigger dick back.

Now it's gotten to the point where the conversation is useless. It's back and forth without any real debate (just popcorn balls) I don't do this to argue with who's posting; I do it with those who have yet to read it in mind. So that's that, just spare me the cheap shots, k?

You disagree with any of the topic, adress that, not how angry you think I am, or throw popcorn widgets up on the screen. Have some balls and tackle the issues.

Thanks.

[Graham]

well said!

[HIKER]

Lets all calm down a bit folks and watch the personal attacks. Opinions are great but we are adults here, mostly.. Good talking points and for me... You will never ever see me buy a Toyota, Nissan or Honda.. Ever I am a Ford Guy True Blue but my wifes whole family is in Defiance Ohio and built GM for over 60 years but are being shut down. Remember Clintons NAFTA????? Had a huge impact on things built here in The USA...

Good point Dave... Just look at the numbers

Some close plants, others open plants and create jobs..

GM employees 12,300 in Ohio
FORD employees 9,900 in Ohio

Honda, 14,000+. #1 Automotive employer in the state. That's alot of jobs saved..

Data from 3/08

And keep in mind Bush Sr was the author of the NAFTA bill, not Clinton.. Clinton just put it into law. So both sides can be held responsoble..

The three-nation NAFTA was signed on 17 December 1992, pending its ratification by the legislatures of the three countries. There was considerable opposition in all three countries, but in the United States it was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative initiative in 1993

[BurnTire]

Cammer why don't you go into another section and tell us about your car, Mods, ET, etc.

I could give a rats ass about this topic and for the record I have 3 Fords in my household.

[Cammer]

Here's some even better points hiker (and a few from me a page ago!)

Ford employs more Americans (today, this minute) than all of the foreign auto makers combined!

Ford, GM and Chrysler use 85% more American auto parts. If Ford, GM and Chrysler had used only 35% domestic content last year (like foreign automakers did), they would have spent $95 billion less here in the U.S. That $95 billion in lost sales could have cost between 200,000 and 330,000 American workers their jobs.

One domestic line worker accounts for six other US jobs off of the line (do the math)

The US auto industry is our number one buyer of US steel, rubber and semi conductors (and our number one exporter)

The domestics invest about 200 billion annualy in this country through R&D, which produces something called patents. Those patents developed here guarantee that high paying jobs remain here as well.

Best of all, when you support them (unlike Honda) you're supporting an American corporation (not a Japanese one)

[Cammer]

Well nobody's forcing you to read it Burn, stick around though, maybe you'll learn something and become interested.

[Cammer]

Oh yeah, and I'm not up with what's going on in your home state, but last I heard GM had double the number of plants there than Honda does (see the sign) Let alone Ford on top of that calculated into your figure. Then again, they might have shut a few down, I don't know. But even going by your figures of roughly 23,000 as compared to almost half of that, I don't see your point whatsoever. Domestics obviously still employ more of your state, even post plant closures. All the more reason to support them, huh?

[BurnTire]

Well nobody's forcing you to read it Burn, stick around though, maybe you'll learn something and become interested.

I am the person that pushes the Ban button and at this point you are trolling.

[BurnTire]