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[jtleng]

WOW

[ChuckD]

What rock did you crawl out from under? For 1 you make your 1st post talking crap. Second what Hiker said was the truth. Third the C.O.T. are all the same, stickers is what make them look diferent. Nascar isnt what it used to be. Have you ever seen a Cup engine? I would say no with your attitude. I could send you a Roush block and let you look it over and tell me whats different than a stock block. But you would say they are all the same.

[Cammer]

What rock did you crawl out from under? For 1 you make your 1st post talking crap. Second what Hiker said was the truth. Third the C.O.T. are all the same, stickers is what make them look diferent. Nascar isnt what it used to be. Have you ever seen a Cup engine? I would say no with your attitude. I could send you a Roush block and let you look it over and tell me whats different than a stock block. But you would say they are all the same.

The new FR9 engine, you've got one of those? Sure send me the one you're throwing out this week. The FR9 block is the first block like the R07, and the R6P8 that was specifically developed to compete on the ovals. And those are all in response to Toyota building a purpose built race engine due to the fact that they never had a production engine to base any engine off of in the first place. Which engine block has it been for the past three plus decades? The Cleveland block. Even the new blocks like the Dodge for example (8th gen of the poly head) are not anything radically different when it comes to tracing the bloodline back to the factory. If you think it's legitimate competition for Toyota to just swoop in with a bag full of money, and set about building a cam in block, domestic push-rod to further their image so they carve up the domestic market a little more (along with your own auto industry) all hope is lost for you.

Lets face it, the COT (nascar for that matter) is track muscle cars, hand fabricated ones, with dry sumps, 'hero parts' and tube chassis (which is a given unless you want to get killed) -- but that's fundamentally what it is. Until Japan builds anything halfway resembling a muscle car, they should refrain from imitating that layout on a race track (especially in this country). And anybody to support that is naive. We'll never see any German manufacturers in nascar, and the reason is; they have more pride in what they engineer to adopt another manufacturers complete layout just in order to be able to compete with that manufacturer. And of course, they're not on a hell bent quest to win over a particular market as is the case with Toyota and Japan. With everything from manipulating their own currency to taking advantage of the stupidity that goes on in Washington.

[ChuckD]

The windsor block is stronger than the cleveland. The cleveland heads flow alot better than the windsor. Thats why Gary Roughly makes the Track Boss intake and is used world wide on the circle track. I am seen some pretty impressive Supras. I would consider that a modern day muscle car. So are you saying AFR, Trick Flow, Dart, and other companies like that should just go out of business cause they used a basic design of a head and inproved on it? Or should Eaton, Whipple, or KB go out of business since they used the basic design of the Detroit superchargers? Or are you saying Burn Tire should burn in hell cause he put a Chevy tranny in a Ford car. Plus Nascar rules state that any car made in the USA can compete, hell even Honda could get int he game. So go back under your rock and talk to us when you have educated yourself and not just bs you read on a forum somewhere else. You sound a little disgruntled like you may have lost your job from an auto manufacturer.

[Cammer]

You can go hide under your rock 'Chuck'

Yeah, those Supras are the prime example of a muscle car now aren't they? Eaton, whipple, and Ken Bell are all American companies too though, aren't they now Chuck? Tell you what, I think TuRD should stop offering a Roots blower as it's top of the line bolt on for it's Japanese oriented performance catalogs. And what block has been in use by Yates, Roush, and the rest for decades in nascar again? That would be the Cleveland wouldn't it? Nobody's stated anything about the 'stronger' block (that's just Chuck's little spin on it all so he doesn't have to acknowledge the latter)

Maybe you should go and educate yourself between the difference of a muscle car and a Supra, and how stupid you look even making such an observation as that 'Ford fan'. And the next time you're driving around in your Mustang GT to go get your mocha at Starbucks, maybe you should take a minute to stop and realize how desperate Toyota is to drive your countries own auto industry into ruin (hopefully with the support of morons such as yourself) Because after all, who do we look to in order to provide our own fighting men and women as a first line of protection against roadside IED's over in Iraq for example? That task is laid at the feet of the domestics, such as AMGeneral LCC. Where every HMWVV starts out on a bare GM truck chassis, along with power train to match. And all to keep the limbs intact on those voluntarily serving over there, just so they'll be capable of walking, let alone operating an auto upon their return (Toyota or otherwise). Those are 'the trucks that's changing it all' I'm afraid, it isn't any bloated Toyota.

Better yet, maybe you should take your Ford and trade it in for a yoda, because that would fit you a whole lot better I'm sure. That's also why the country is in the shape that it's in today, clueless Americans such as yourslef who have to be persuaded into supporting their own auto industry as opposed to Japanese brands who merely assemble here through loop holes.

Leave it to me to make the mistake of arguing in support of domestic industry in a Ford forum though. Try bashing your head up against the rock 'Chuck', hopefully you'll wake yourself up as a result.

[jtleng]

[Cammer]

Oh great, I follow my mail back here to see the popcorn message. That's easy to do as opposed to think and type isn't it?

First thing to just get across, I signed up here to address the initial post (the Bagwell anti yoda charade) That guy was a moron, and instead of getting his facts together, only helped to worsen the situation. I'm not here to stir up, I'm here just to get the facts out there in regard to both nascar and the auto industry in general.

I hit all kinds of forums foreign and domestic, been banned from a few, and I could care less as long as I spread the word while I'm waiting for a pot of coffee to brew or whatever. As far as forums lately (especially domestic boards) 'Hiker' and his buddy 'Chuck' have been the only vocal opposition I've faced so far (that says a lot)

Now Chuck might be sticking up for Hiker because of message board comradery or whatever the hell the reason is, and I might have rubbed somebody the wrong way (that's understandable). But that's when you question the messengers delivery (not attempt to dismiss a legitimate message presented to you along with fact because you want to run to the aid of a forum buddy) That's how a punk operates (you got that Chuck?)

I'm not bashing an entire forum of people of course, just a few loud mouths who over post and don't know what they're talking about. The same type of morons who will bash Camaros all day, yet defend Supras. So a forum ban? I could care less, like I said, I'm just throwing facts out there because I've seen people struggle with voicing opposition to a foreign company and get dumped on their heads simply because the facts weren't made available to them.

But as domestic owners, what we need is a large number to step up when morons like Hiker start with their "Toyota is employing Americans bullshit' Toyota is employing a drop in the bucket here in comparison to what's headquartered here. So as domestic owners it would do everybody the benefit to have multiple posters (who know just a little fact on these issues) step up to the plate when these idiots sprout their disinfo. Good luck.

[ASUSMC]

How hard was it to come back to the site? You seem like a very angry person. Does 3 popcorns make it more worth your while?

[Cammer]

Well thanks for proving my point for me Just talk a lot of shit, and avoid the topic at hand (that's the method of choice here obviously). All you know is the popcorn widget, and as far as stang forums go, I'm surprised I found my way back to this little remote one.

[ASUSMC]

Wow. I am actually not a NASCAR fan so I could give two craps about whether Toyota is in the races or not.

This is actually a very good forum. We don't allow retards, degenerates, and assholes here. You seem to fit somewhere in that mix. So if you want to calm your butt down if you want to stay or leave, I won't lose any sleep over it.