Quote Originally Posted by ChuckD View Post
What rock did you crawl out from under? For 1 you make your 1st post talking crap. Second what Hiker said was the truth. Third the C.O.T. are all the same, stickers is what make them look diferent. Nascar isnt what it used to be. Have you ever seen a Cup engine? I would say no with your attitude. I could send you a Roush block and let you look it over and tell me whats different than a stock block. But you would say they are all the same.
The new FR9 engine, you've got one of those? Sure send me the one you're throwing out this week. The FR9 block is the first block like the R07, and the R6P8 that was specifically developed to compete on the ovals. And those are all in response to Toyota building a purpose built race engine due to the fact that they never had a production engine to base any engine off of in the first place. Which engine block has it been for the past three plus decades? The Cleveland block. Even the new blocks like the Dodge for example (8th gen of the poly head) are not anything radically different when it comes to tracing the bloodline back to the factory. If you think it's legitimate competition for Toyota to just swoop in with a bag full of money, and set about building a cam in block, domestic push-rod to further their image so they carve up the domestic market a little more (along with your own auto industry) all hope is lost for you.

Lets face it, the COT (nascar for that matter) is track muscle cars, hand fabricated ones, with dry sumps, 'hero parts' and tube chassis (which is a given unless you want to get killed) -- but that's fundamentally what it is. Until Japan builds anything halfway resembling a muscle car, they should refrain from imitating that layout on a race track (especially in this country). And anybody to support that is naive. We'll never see any German manufacturers in nascar, and the reason is; they have more pride in what they engineer to adopt another manufacturers complete layout just in order to be able to compete with that manufacturer. And of course, they're not on a hell bent quest to win over a particular market as is the case with Toyota and Japan. With everything from manipulating their own currency to taking advantage of the stupidity that goes on in Washington.