E85 tuning

[BurnTire]

LOL. Give it a break Bill.
There are many sub 10 second cars using the pumps stuff.
I hope the flex fuel vehicle I own doesn't blow up anytime soon after the thousands of miles I have driven it on E85. I bet it has a few gallons of water in the tank because the "real man of genius" read about it on google.

[IMSHAKN]

LOL. Give it a break Bill.
There are many sub 10 second cars using the pumps stuff.
I hope the flex fuel vehicle I own doesn't blow up anytime soon after the thousands of miles I have driven it on E85. I bet it has a few gallons of water in the tank because the "real man of genius" read about it on google.

Your FFV is not optimized to run on E85. It will run on it fairly reasonably, but not as well as it could if the tune was optimized just for E85.

As far as the water goes, you don't get that much separation unless there are high water concentrations as Ethanol is miscible in water.

[WildBill]

LOL. Give it a break Bill.
There are many sub 10 second cars using the pumps stuff.
I hope the flex fuel vehicle I own doesn't blow up anytime soon after the thousands of miles I have driven it on E85. I bet it has a few gallons of water in the tank because the "real man of genius" read about it on google.

Jeff
You can stop with your stupid insults.
I've set up and tuned 7 or 8 race cars on E85 that are a lot quicker than your car. I know what I'm talking about.
I'm making people aware of the hazards of E85, especially when it comes a high horsepower supercharged or turbocharged vehicles.
The examples you gave with water in avgas and diesel have no bearing on this topic. Diesel and avgas are not hygroscopic fuels. Water separates form those fuels. Put a cup of water in seperate clear containers of E85, avgas and diesel. You will see the water settle to the bottom. Over a set period of time the water in the E85 container will be ABSORBED, while you will still be able to see the water in the other containers.

All my intent in this thread is to make sure the people that are going to push the limit in their power adder cars know that their BEST OPTION is to obtain their E85 by the drum for the absolute best consistency AND safety.

PS........ I've owned (my company) 16 flex fuel Taurus and 3 Rangers

[BurnTire]

Jeff
You can stop with your stupid insults.
I've set up and tuned 7 or 8 race cars on E85 that are a lot quicker than your car. I know what I'm talking about.
I'm making people aware of the hazards of E85, especially when it comes a high horsepower supercharged or turbocharged vehicles.
The examples you gave with water in avgas and diesel have no bearing on this topic. Diesel and avgas are not hygroscopic fuels. Water separates form those fuels. Put a cup of water in seperate clear containers of E85, avgas and diesel. You will see the water settle to the bottom. Over a set period of time the water in the E85 container will be ABSORBED, while you will still be able to see the water in the other containers.

All my intent in this thread is to make sure the people that are going to push the limit in their power adder cars know that their BEST OPTION is to obtain their E85 by the drum for the absolute best consistency AND safety.

PS........ I've owned (my company) 16 flex fuel Taurus and 3 Rangers

Bill I will keep that in mind if I decide to put a water hose in my gas tank with E85. Every pump in the area has a hygroscopic factor being E10 is used universially. I see again you feel the need to express how much you know. If it makes you feel better about yourself so be it. I would really like to know where you tune these fast E85 cars at?

[WildBill]

Bill I will keep that in mind if I decide to put a water hose in my gas tank with E85. Every pump in the area has a hygroscopic factor being E10 is used universially. I see again you feel the need to express how much you know. If it makes you feel better about yourself so be it. I would really like to know where you tune these fast E85 cars at?

Again with your typical BS.

Memphis, Norwalk and Ft Worth.

Do I need them to join and tell you?

[BurnTire]

I never said it can't absorbed water, but this is being blown way out of proportion. Do you know how much the absorption rate is reduced when mixed with gasoline,are you aware that all E85 in the US has anti corrosion inhibitors? I have seen water more than my fair share of times in avgas. Just about every type of fuel can absorbed moisture. If you are happy buying $11 a gallon race gas so be it. I personally am sick of it. I will only buy race gas in a sealed pail. I will never ever buy it again from someone pumping it from a barrel.

I am switching to E85. I will have a tester that can measure the mix ratio so I am on top the blend info. I am aware of what cautions I must take when running corn.

[IMSHAKN]

That makes two of us who won't buy from an unsealed drum.

I know you deal with water contamination given Aviation gas. I remember the couple times I got to pilot a single engine plane when I was younger when I was considering getting my pilots license. I remember pulling a bit of fuel off the plane's wing and making sure that the fuel wasn't contaminated. (Or so I remember being told that's why we did that. Years ago, I could be wrong. Not gonna look it up). I don't care what they add to the fuel to help reduce its ability to pick up water, it still will. Removing water from substances that are miscible in it isn't always as easily done as it can be said. Or at least that's my personal experience. I've seen ethanol concentration drop as much as 15% in the lab based on results of gas chromatography. I will admit that this is lab grade pure Ethanol that was diluted with ddH20 and it may more readily absorb water due to its purity.

I am switching to E85. I will have a tester that can measure the mix ratio so I am on top the blend info. I am aware of what cautions I must take when running corn.

While you may be aware of them, fact is that most people who want to convert their performance vehicles over do not. If you approach it right, I don't have a problem with E85 in a performance application that sees primarily track time. But a daily driven performance car I just personally don't like the idea.

[BurnTire]

I did much research on E85 and got a bunch of good info from someone that works in the E85 industry. Moisture absorption issues are few and far between. The primary problem is incorrectly tuned vehicles. Tuning on the winter blend then going lean on the summer stuff. Boom.

[BurnTire]

Some info from Dan Schoneck
Andy that he speaks of in the post develops flex fuel calibrations for GM vehicles for Diablo Sport.

Haha some of you guys kill me. I made 860rwhp with the stuff in my Gt500 with the stock motor and 1000rwhp with the built alum motor. Like the one guy said if you don't have a car that is older than 1985 you have NOTHING to worry about. Everyone needs to stop crying about e85 being a joke and inconsistant, cause it is know where near as inconsistant as 93octane fuel. I NEVER and do mean NEVER check my e85 at the pump and i make 27lbs of boost and 21 degrees of timing. I do make sure when we tune for the first time that we are on pure E85 and then after that i just go to the pump and let her ride. E85 is the best PERIOD pump gas ever made, like it or not and all the political BUllSh!T and its very comparable with the alcohol content of it to being as good as 112-114 octane race fuel. A good friend of mine this weekend is going to run 7's on a out of the pump non tested e85 with a 427 cubed twin 78mm turbo mustang. He has already been 8.18 @ 173 on out of the pump e85. It makes 26lbs of boost and has a air to air I.C. It has made 1384 rwhp on pump E85, and with turbos this is the limit of 160lb injectors on e85, blowers are around 1100rwhp.
The main thing to look at is the injector size and fuel pumps. We have went from 570rwhp with a stock blower,I.w,2.6 blower pulley, headers, intake to 626 just from the switch of E85 and that was only turning it 6300rpms with 22 degrees of timing. Twin screws and roots blower benifit from it even more as it kills any extra intake temp heat and makes the srew blowers more repeatable on the street pull after pull.
A little insight on back to the injectors. 60lbers are only good to 600 at 80psi of fuel pressure on korn. 72 are good till about 700ish, 96 are good till about 750 these are on blower combos not turbos or na. but really anything over 800rwhp should have 120-160lbs injectors. Stock gt500 pumps are only good to 620rwhp with 72lb inj and then you will need dual boost a pumps. Btw the 96lb hp rating was with a Procharger not a crew blower. I don't know how much hp it takes to drive a screw, but a f -series blower with run a 96lb injector at 80psi of fuel pressure out fuel at 730rwhp.

Hope this helps and Andy the guy that has helped me though out the years has done over 2500 e85 conversions and over 250 600+rwhp cars. In the last 4 years over 20 600+ cars for my self and customers. He has more Data than anyone one on the fuel, and combos wheather it be Na or turbo or blower.

Dan

[WildBill]

Hmmmmm..................Dan's located in "E85 Country"

Ever met Dan or Andy Wicks, BentRear?

Last time I saw Dan and drank a few was at Commerce, Ga

He made runner up in Renegade and I made it to the semi's in ModMotor and won Saturday's Fast Ford
Dan's a nutcase jokester, but Andy's a bit dry.