Need help

[Jeremy]

Im going to be being a wideband really soon. Either an lm-1 or an dynojet. Run down of the problem: I have a predator with a mail order tune. For some reason im dynoing the same power as stock because im running so rich.:bash: Ive talked to my tuner(sambandit) and hes been over my tune several times(its not that complicated) and he cant see anything wrong. I have a MAFia and its on the right setting as well. Here is my dyno graph,
http://members.cox.net/jeremy.fritz/dyno.bmp
http://members.cox.net/jeremy.fritz/dyno2.bmp


The only two things I can think of that might be wrong is, MAFia is bad or my mass air meter is not at the right angle(how it came stock). I heard that could throw it off but dont have a clue. Any suggestions or anybody available to lend a hand?

Thanks in advance..:beerchug:

[Ethan@S3M]

The maf should be sitting straight up so the part were the harness connects is level. I know Gene has a wide ban and he's gonna be fine tuning his own car also so you might want to give him a halla.

[Ethan@S3M]

Also check your mafia again and what tuning software are you using. The maf should actually be clocked to 10o'clock not straight up like I said before.

[BurnTire]

I had all kinds of problems with my mafia. I went with the SCT BA2400 which is the better way to go IMO. I have a PLX devices M-300 wideband. I use the SCT xcal-2 tuner with the pro racers package. You can use an analog output from your wideband to interface with the xcal2. This allows your A/F to be data logged by the xcal2. The predator can not do this. I started with a base tune from RWTD then applied all the necessary value files and road tuned the A/F to 11.6-11.8. Runs good. Well to make a long story short. Go with SCT. If you have any questions let me know.
Jeff

[Jeremy]

Also check your mafia again and what tuning software are you using. The maf should actually be clocked to 10o'clock not straight up like I said before.

Im using a predator. Ive checked the setting on the MAFia several times and its on 2 where he said it should be.

[Gene]

You "DO NOT NEED A MAFIA" with a 2.8 pulley with a stock blower. 1st, turn your Maf to the 10 O'clock position. 2nd, log your FPDC on your predator. Its under gas/accel (its under FP). 3rd, ask Scott for a new tune minus the mafia. 4th, get a wideband for peace of mind anyway. If Scott went over rthe tune several times, its not the tuner. They use the same base tunes as a starting point ofr every car. They meaning every mail order tuner thats worth their salt, AKA Jon Lund, Chris Johnson, James @ RWTD, Rick @ Amazon etc. If you do not get it fixed from trying what I typed above, take it to performance solutions and get a tune from Devon. He and Dan know their shit over there and give member discounts. I know that they will not stop until they figure out whats causing the problem. Gene

[BurnTire]

You "DO NOT NEED A MAFIA" with a 2.8 pulley with a stock blower. 1st, turn your Maf to the 10 O'clock position. 2nd, log your FPDC on your predator. Its under gas/accel (its under FP). 3rd, ask Scott for a new tune minus the mafia. 4th, get a wideband for peace of mind anyway. If Scott went over rthe tune several times, its not the tuner. They use the same base tunes as a starting point ofr every car. They meaning every mail order tuner thats worth their salt, AKA Jon Lund, Chris Johnson, James @ RWTD, Rick @ Amazon etc. If you do not get it fixed from trying what I typed above, take it to performance solutions and get a tune from Devon. He and Dan know their shit over there and give member discounts. I know that they will not stop until they figure out whats causing the problem. Gene

I didn't realize he only had a 2.8. Ditch the mafia.

[Jeremy]

I didn't realize he only had a 2.8. Ditch the mafia.

Dont have a 2.8. its stock upper and 8# lower. The blower is getting ported in the next week or so and im thinking about an upper pulley along with my lower. That maf is at 10 o'clock. I would but I dont have the money right now to take it to devon.

[Jeremy]

Just drove it around the block and did a third gear pull. Started at 3500rpms, heres the data,
112 iat
3.60 maf v
36psi frp
20deg sprkadv
178% load
170f eng.
130f intake air temp.
4.62v tps
at 4000rpms the fuel was at41 with 21deg spark. 183%load.
at 5064rpms fuel was 37, 22deg and 185%
5500, 39fuel, 22deg and 181%
From what i can see on the fuel it jumps from 36-41 during the pull and 20-22deg spark.

[u1arunit]

With the 8# lower and ported blower you'll need the MAFia(or an SCT BA2400 meter). It would be great if you could log your car with a XCal2 if you know someone and send Scott the numbers of a 2000rpm to redline run.

Log these parameters (along with the A/F ratio) and get him the log:

INLET AIR TEMP (IAT1)
DOWNSTREAM AIR TEMP (IAT2)
ENGINE COOLING TEMP (ECT)
MAF COUNTS (1024 counts is 5 volts; (counts * 5) / 1024 = volts)
ENGINE SPEED
LOAD (this is the calculated load reported from the MAF)
THROTTLE POSITION ABSOLUTE (TP position in counts)
BATTERY VOLTAGE
SPARK
MBT SPARK (mean best timing spark)
PRESSURE DROP ACROSS INJECTORS
FUEL PUMP DUTY CYCLE
MAP VOLTAGE

[Jeremy]

It would be great if you could log your car with a XCal2 if you know someone and send Scott the numbers of a 2000rpm to redline run.

Dont know anybody with one. It would be nice to send him my data so I can get more then 10 miles to a gallon..:furious:

[BurnTire]

I have an xcal2 with the pro racers package. It would be better if you had a wide band installed with a nine pin mini din connector so I could also log A/F. But I can see it is going PIG rich above 4K. Let me know. I live in NE Mesa.

[Jeremy]

I have an xcal2 with the pro racers package. It would be better if you had a wide band installed with a nine pin mini din connector so I could also log A/F. But I can see it is going PIG rich above 4K. Let me know. I live in NE Mesa.

What wideband do you recommend out of the two im looking at? I need a round gauge since i have a pillar pod for it. If I get the lm-1 I would have to add the gauge to it. There about the same price. I am down to take an adventure to get it fixed...

[BurnTire]

I run the PLX. I like having it in front of me and not on the pillar.
Check www.sctflash.com to see which of your choices are best at analog interfacting to the xcal2. You need to get a 9 pin mini din cable ($20 from RWTD) to hook up the xcal to the wide band.

[Jeremy]

I bought the xd-16 kit and installed it. Now I need to find a cable that will work with it and my laptop. I had it dyno tuned at Performance Solutions so im good on that. Thanks for the offer to help...

[BurnTire]

I bought the xd-16 kit and installed it. Now I need to find a cable that will work with it and my laptop. I had it dyno tuned at Performance Solutions so im good on that. Thanks for the offer to help...

Cool.
How much power did you put down?

[Jeremy]

Mid 4's on both.. Not bad for just a pully and exhaust.

[BurnTire]

Mid 4's on both.. Not bad for just a pully and exhaust.

Time for that 11 second timeslip:icon_biggrin:

[Jeremy]

I have a tb and plenum as well.