2003/2004 Mustang Cobra Turbo 400 / TH-400 Swap / Conversion

[BurnTire]

Complete TH-400 Install Information --- Click Here (http://www.highperformancestangs.com/forums/content.php/29-Turbo-400-Conversion-2004-Mustang-Cobra)


Well the conversion is under way :pinkthumb:


(JW The Wheel) flex plate

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Get flexplate bolts from an Auto Mach 1 as the six speed flywheel bolts are too long.

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My trans B&M Hi-Tek Trans Cooler.
Mounted in the Drivers Sider Fender.
Thermostat Activated Fan, but I am going to wire it to run all the time.

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[88BlownGT]

Very nice.

[AZSaleen04]

Very Nice! How long is the conversion going to take?

[BurnTire]

Very Nice! How long is the conversion going to take?

Hope to have everything done is a few weeks.

[silvrsvt]

I want to see the first pass! what are you hoping for?

[BurnTire]

I want to see the first pass! what are you hoping for?

It should go a high 9 if all works well.

[AZSaleen04]

Nice!

[wickedcobra]

It should go a high 9 if all works well.


You going before it gets hot this year? Definately need to be there for that.

[BurnTire]

B&M Pro Ratchet Shifter.
Carbon Fiber Console kit.
Six speed boot will go around the shifter when complete.

Line Lock on the Right Switch
Trans brake in the hole for the left switch.
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I trimmed a few edges on the shifter to fit the console plate better.
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You have to cut some of the tunnel for the shift cable to pass thru.
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Delete Panel
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When all is done I will fill the shifter cable hole with some adhesive and insulation.
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[wickedcobra]

Great progress. What fills the area where the old shifter was?

[BurnTire]

Great progress. What fills the area where the old shifter was?

Same clip in plate, but there will be a carbon fiber plate with the trans temp gauge in it.

[Ethan]

Good work, looks like its coming along good.

[BurnTire]

Good work, looks like its coming along good.

Thanks hopefully it will be done in a few weeks.

[AZSonicSnake]

very cool man! i just could never bring myself to go auto in my cobra...

[soap]

It should go a high 9 if all works well.

What else are you going to do to your car while it is down for the auto swap??

I just can't see how a turbo 400 is going to shave a half second off your ET's. It's not like your car is a slouch out of the hole right now. Are you currently granny shifting really slowly or something??

--Joe

[Sandbaggersteve]

Nice deal, you will love it and wish you would have done it sooner. Did one in a single turbo 03 cobra several months back after three "1500hp" capable Lentech transmissions took shits after the first pass with he car only making 450rwhp on 6lbs. Did a JW bell, Turbo 400, trans brake, Neil Chance bolt together with billet steel hub. Make sure your clearances are exact of what they should be from the flywheel to the converter before you run it or you will be putting a new crank in it quick like!

You should be able to pull your converter out of the transmission a maximum of .120" to a minimum of .100". Shim the converter lugs to this distance as required. Do not run the car if you don't have your converter clearance correct. If you must use washers, avoid the stamped steel washers which often vary in thickness, use machine washers or head bolt washers that have been measured with a caliper or micrometer to be the same thickness.

I hope you're putting a good converter in it with anti ballooning plates, if that thing balloons it will walk the crank forward and knock out the oil pump and waste the thrust bearing.

[Sandbaggersteve]

What else are you going to do to your car while it is down for the auto swap??

I just can't see how a turbo 400 is going to shave a half second off your ET's. It's not like your car is a slouch out of the hole right now. Are you currently granny shifting really slowly or something??

--Joe

Auto's are easier on parts due to less "shock", more consistent and no chance of a missed shift. I'm all about rowing gears but if you want consistency and reliability it's the only way to go.

[AZSonicSnake]

but if you want consistency and reliability it's the only way to go.

gonna have to disagree a little on this one.... :sticktonge: i have a stack of slips in my car, and your the last one to have the tranny out. :icon_cool:

[soap]

Auto's are easier on parts due to less "shock", more consistent and no chance of a missed shift. I'm all about rowing gears but if you want consistency and reliability it's the only way to go.

What does that have to do with my question??

I know auto's are consistent and easy on driveline, and I don't care which way the OP's cares to shift his car...but hell if you can gain a half second on swapping to a turbo 400 then I am ditching my T-56 right now.

--Joe

[BurnTire]

What does that have to do with my question??

I know auto's are consistent and easy on driveline, and I don't care which way the OP's cares to shift his car...but hell if you can gain a half second on swapping to a turbo 400 then I am ditching my T-56 right now.

--Joe

Everyone that I talked to gained .5 or more et going to an auto.
Talk to eiu88gt or Tim from MPH about their gains switching to a TH-400.

Get out your credit card Soap.:biglaugh:

[BurnTire]

[BurnTire]

gonna have to disagree a little on this one.... :sticktonge: i have a stack of slips in my car, and your the last one to have the tranny out. :icon_cool:

Add 100+ more HP and Torque then report back to me how reliable and consistent your stick car is. :hyper:

[AZSonicSnake]

Add 100+ more HP and Torque then report back to me how reliable and consistent your stick car is. :hyper:

nah. i am all good. i like being able to drive it and not just look at it on jackstands. plus bracket racing and being consistant is fun. :sticktonge:

[Sandbaggersteve]

gonna have to disagree a little on this one.... :sticktonge: i have a stack of slips in my car, and your the last one to have the tranny out. :icon_cool:

Lol yeah, but I upgraded everything for you already ;)

Also I was WOT on the second yellow and in the kit before I could grab the shifter handle, let me drive it like I used to and lets see if you dont grind your teeth when I launch it. :biglaugh: Parts will break.

[AZSonicSnake]

Lol yeah, but I upgraded everything for you already ;)

Also I was WOT on the second yellow and in the kit before I could grab the shifter handle, let me drive it like I used to and lets see if you dont grind your teeth when I launch it. :biglaugh: Parts will break.

haha. yeah, no doubt. gonna see what happens when i get some new tires on it. :woot1:

[Sandbaggersteve]

No mid plate, Rossler trans and used the stock T-56 cross member, didnt have to change anything other than drill a hole for the mount and a few washers as shims. Had a guy we know at Arizona concepts built the driveshaft and it was done and on the road in less than a day. Pretty easy swap honestly.


Some of these people dont understand that when you can leave on boost it helps you get to the other end that much faster. ;)

[Sandbaggersteve]

haha. yeah, no doubt. gonna see what happens when i get some new tires on it. :woot1:

Right on man, best of luck to ya.


Oh and hey, they need another service advisor or parts counter person yet??

[AZSonicSnake]

i wish we were that busy honestly! i'll let you know if anything opens up though.

[BurnTire]

No mid plate, Rossler trans and used the stock T-56 cross member, didnt have to change anything other than drill a hole for the mount and a few washers as shims. Had a guy we know at Arizona concepts built the driveshaft and it was done and on the road in less than a day. Pretty easy swap honestly.


Some of these people dont understand that when you can leave on boost it helps you get to the other end that much faster. ;)

So what was the converter spacing prior to the failure?

[Sandbaggersteve]

Dont know if it was that or the lentech AOD and the ultimate converter that ballooned causing the problem just to have the th400 push it to it's end as 20 pounds of boost tend to show the weak spots quick like. Also there was heavy metal debris in the first lof that signify the thrust bearing was being pushed up against the main but we thought it was just break in debri so nothing was thought of it.

When the 400 was installed there was about 1/8th of an inch, personally I think the ultimate converter balloned and cause the start of the problem, the th400 ended it.

Nothing like having a 1 of few 5.4, Y2k, th400 having 03 cobra's ;)

[soap]

Everyone that I talked to gained .5 or more et going to an auto.
Talk to eiu88gt or Tim from MPH about their gains switching to a TH-400.

Get out your credit card Soap.:biglaugh:

I will wait to see your results. But mark my words, is you drop a half second, I will follow suit.

I would love to be running 10.0's with only an Eaton :woot2:

--Joe

[Dan]

I will wait to see your results. But mark my words, is you drop a half second, I will follow suit.

I would love to be running 10.0's with only an Eaton :woot2:

--Joe

I droped .9 tenths

[soap]

I droped .9 tenths

No way, must have been the K-member :yes:

--Joe

[BurnTire]

Dont know if it was that or the lentech AOD and the ultimate converter that ballooned causing the problem just to have the th400 push it to it's end as 20 pounds of boost tend to show the weak spots quick like. Also there was heavy metal debris in the first lof that signify the thrust bearing was being pushed up against the main but we thought it was just break in debri so nothing was thought of it.

When the 400 was installed there was about 1/8th of an inch, personally I think the ultimate converter balloned and cause the start of the problem, the th400 ended it.

Nothing like having a 1 of few 5.4, Y2k, th400 having 03 cobra's ;)

There are multiple people out there that have had thrust bearing failures using someones special bolt together converter. I have never heard of any issue with Lennys converters.

1/8 is on the tight side. 3/16 is what is recommended by rossler with a 3 speed. Maybe I will be using the starter plate after all.

[Sandbaggersteve]

There are multiple people out there that have had thrust bearing failures using someones special bolt together converter. I have never heard of any issue with Lennys converters.

1/8 is on the tight side. 3/16 is what is recommended by rossler with a 3 speed. Maybe I will be using the starter plate after all.

Correct, if they had the aluminum billet hub, not the steel. I had a buddy wipe out 2 titanium rod having 392 SBC within 2 races due to that, but NC is convinced it's not the converters.

But as previously stated, I think think the problem originated with the lentech and ultimate and the first oil change signified it.

[Sandbaggersteve]

I will wait to see your results. But mark my words, is you drop a half second, I will follow suit.

I would love to be running 10.0's with only an Eaton :woot2:

--Joe

There are guys out there doing it with a C4.

[Sandbaggersteve]

I droped .9 tenths

LIAR LIAR!!!! You put NAWWWSSSSS on your junk!

[BurnTire]

Well I will be sure the spacing is correct.

[soap]

There are guys out there doing it with a C4.

Stock longblock?? No sauce??

Do you have these guys contact info by chance so I can discuss with them their combo??

Sorry for the minor thread hijack.

--Joe

[BurnTire]

Shifter. Trans temp gauge will go where the old shifter was.

[wickedcobra]

Looks good, getting close.

[BurnTire]

Trans Cooler Lines.

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[ASUSMC]

Thats in the fenderwell right? Thats where a lot of the open track guys run oil coolers at. I have heard its extremely effective. Looks like the install is going well.

[Dan]

looks cute

[BurnTire]

Thats in the fenderwell right? Thats where a lot of the open track guys run oil coolers at. I have heard its extremely effective. Looks like the install is going well.

Drivers Side with a Fan that is going to run all the time. It really moves some air.

[BurnTire]

looks cute

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:tyYgJLHqV2BwiM::http://gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/10/cupcake_timer.jpg

[BurnTire]

Look what came today.

Rossler Terminator 3 TH-400

Installing was way easier than a T-56. I was surprised how small the tranny was compared to a 6 speed.

Thanks again to Spencer from Stage 3 Motorsports for stopping by to giving me a hand.

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Ultimate Converter Concepts 10" Converter
3400 transbrake stall.
Fill it with one quart of ATF prior to installing on the tranny.

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Steel Deep Pan

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Converter Spacing was a little greater than 9/64" So about .140" which falls in the ranger of .125 - .187

This is without the stock starter index plate which is .073" thick. If the plate was used I would have had about .213" spacing which is too much.

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[wickedcobra]

How purdy! I bet you can't wait to try it out. Do you have to break in a tranny or just go ballz out right away?

[BurnTire]

How purdy! I bet you can't wait to try it out. Do you have to break in a tranny or just go ballz out right away?

LOL I plan to drive around a little before I beat on it.

It is not like a new clutch where you need 500 miles.

[wickedcobra]

Cool, looks like a grand ole time at BT's house. How much more you have to do before your done?

[BurnTire]

Cool, looks like a grand ole time at BT's house. How much more you have to do before your done?

I have to hook up a few lines and some wiring.

I also need a drive shaft.

[AZSaleen04]

Looking goof you are getting there.

[99WhiteGT]

Looks awesome

[AZSaleen04]

That was looking GOOD!!! Correction.

[BUSTED]

I had a good time helping you with it, let me know if you need me to bring you another TH400 and swap it out with you ............. Freakin' Carnage King.:3gears:

[silvrsvt]

Looks good! is it going to be ready for firebird tonight?? lol j/k

[BADASS03SVT]

looking good! making me remember my install 2 years ago!!! can I ask why the 400 over say...a c4 or 4r?


I predict you go low 10s. the immediate .5 sec depends on driver imo. if you can bang gears an auto swap isnt going to do much. just look at the fast eaton cars....10.3...10.5s. your car hooks good at low 1.4s and it should maybe go a little better. but I say 10.0-10.1 depending on your shifting

I ran 10.98 w/ the 6 speed and my first pass in the auto was a 10.95. took me 2 years, 2 converter changes, suspension changes and a lot of learning to get to 10.5s on the same power.

the recent 400 swaps has me thinking about one....or a c4....

[BurnTire]

looking good! making me remember my install 2 years ago!!! can I ask why the 400 over say...a c4 or 4r?


I predict you go low 10s. the immediate .5 sec depends on driver imo. if you can bang gears an auto swap isnt going to do much. just look at the fast eaton cars....10.3...10.5s. your car hooks good at low 1.4s and it should maybe go a little better. but I say 10.0-10.1 depending on your shifting

I ran 10.98 w/ the 6 speed and my first pass in the auto was a 10.95. took me 2 years, 2 converter changes, suspension changes and a lot of learning to get to 10.5s on the same power.

the recent 400 swaps has me thinking about one....or a c4....

I wanted a bomb proof setup that didn't require a magic wand to make it work. I have had the six speed out so many times it was making me sick. This trans is good for 1500HP so I have a bunch of room to grow. I also have some quality lightweight internals. The Th-400 with the bell is about 145lbs. So it is the same weight as the T-56 with the SFI Bell.

I realize the converter may have to come out, but I am hoping it is right on the money. The TH-400 is way easier to pull than the T-56 thats for sure.

As far as a C-4. I have a friend than picked up ET after all of his C-4 woes when switching to a Rossler Th-400.

I am going to get some 28" drag radials and probably back off to 3:55 gears. So that will be a very streetable setup cruising at 65MPH.

As far as ET I bet a high 9. My 10.46 run was still not an optimal run.

[BurnTire]

Thanks to sanbaggersteve for the info on the mount.

Energy Suspension TH-400 Mount.
Drill out the stock crossmember.

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Grade 8 Allen bolts and lock washers to fit in the tight area.
The bolts with the mount kit will not fit.

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In the car. Motor angle is a few degrees output shaft down just like stock.

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[GAZ]

Looks real nice! How did you locate the shifter and install it before having the tranny? What are you doing with your old 6 speed?

[BurnTire]

Got the interior /center console / shifter / wiring done tonight.

All most done. Just waiting for the drive shaft to arrive.

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[BurnTire]

Looks real nice! How did you locate the shifter and install it before having the tranny? What are you doing with your old 6 speed?

Auto uses a cable to shift so the position was ok being the kit is designed to work with the shifter mounted in the present position.

The 1500 mile Viper Spec T56 will be sold.

[wickedcobra]

Where is the nitrous button :highfive:

[BADASS03SVT]

Got the interior /center console / shifter / wiring done tonight.

All most done. Just waiting for the drive shaft to arrive.

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out of all the "console" shifters I deff like this one the best! Im still searching to keep my shifter in the stock location....

[BurnTire]

out of all the "console" shifters I deff like this one the best! Im still searching to keep my shifter in the stock location.... I know Dan at PSR has a hurst in the stock location.

[BurnTire]

Tranny is in.
Runs real good. Like maybe 9's good.

Transbrake stall is 4000.
3500 was the build spec so I am going to have to pull that and get it adjusted, but no biggie. Pulling the Auto isn't that bad compared to doing a T-56 as many times as I have.

[AZSaleen04]

Congrats!

[silvrsvt]

When are you going to the track? I want to see a 9.xx time slip and pick up my new shifter :woot1:

[BUSTED]

Where is the nitrous button :highfive:


Dude You kill me. lol Always breaking Stones.....

DRIVE SHAFT PIC'S PLEASE!!

[wickedcobra]

Dude You kill me. lol Always breaking Stones.....

DRIVE SHAFT PIC'S PLEASE!!

Just wanna see how fast it will go :sticktonge:

[fazm]

so march 6th right? :)

[BurnTire]

so march 6th right? :)

Nope I start Airbus training next Wednesday which will take a bunch of my free time for a while.

[soap]

Any updates?? You get a chance to go to the track or is Airbus training messing with your free time??

If you make a huge gain as predicted, I will have to load up the credit card prior to Pinks!!

--Joe

[BurnTire]

Any updates?? You get a chance to go to the track or is Airbus training messing with your free time??

If you make a huge gain as predicted, I will have to load up the credit card prior to Pinks!!

--Joe

Not time. I am going to pull the trans and get the converter adjusted first.

Seat of pants tells me it is quick.

[wickedcobra]

Well, pick a date and lets hit the track. Since mine is down I could actually watch.:icon_cool:

[BurnTire]

Well, pick a date and lets hit the track. Since mine is down I could actually watch.:icon_cool:

I have just what you need to get back on the road.:Bucktooth:

[wickedcobra]

I have just what you need to get back on the road.:Bucktooth:


Indeed you do!!

[BurnTire]

Indeed you do!!

Won't break either.

[wickedcobra]

We are in a recession you know. I should be socking my money away for a rainy day.

[BurnTire]

We are in a recession you know. I should be socking my money away for a rainy day.

I stash the money away regardless of the economy.

[no_slow_svt]

great detail on the thread man.
im about to do this swap. I think its a must for a turbo car looking for good times at the track.

Ive just gotten really sick of pulling this "built" T45 all the time.
ive pulled it for the last time.

couple questions for ya though,
how do you plan on doing the wiring? like the speedo and reverse lights?

[BurnTire]

great detail on the thread man.
im about to do this swap. I think its a must for a turbo car looking for good times at the track.

Ive just gotten really sick of pulling this "built" T45 all the time.
ive pulled it for the last time.

couple questions for ya though,
how do you plan on doing the wiring? like the speedo and reverse lights?

I used the front ABS senors for the speedo. I dumped my ABS when I went with the solid axle with 9" ends.
Here is how I did it.
http://www.highperformancestangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7952


The shifter I used has a switch for the backup lights and neutral safety.

I just tapped into the stock tranny harness for the revers lights.

Then you just tap into the clutch safety switch (near the pedal) for the safety lockout. So the car will only start in Park or Neutral with the auto to be NHRA legal and safe.

[BurnTire]

The B&M cooler has been working great in the 100+ Arizona temps. I see 160 cruising around on the streets. I have not seen anything over 180 after spirited driving up to the speed limit. :hyper:

[BADASS03SVT]

The B&M cooler has been working great in the 100+ Arizona temps. I see 160 cruising around on the streets. I have not seen anything over 180 after spirited driving up to the speed limit. :hyper:

what about the track?!?!?! cmon your killin us!

[BurnTire]

what about the track?!?!?! cmon your killin us! LOL maybe this weekend. It is hot here now, but it should cool to the 80's during the late night runs. I have to get the two step wired into the transbrake switch.

[silvrsvt]

Jeff, let me know if you go. I have a S197 I need to get some track times before I start modding!

[BurnTire]

They have both Friday and Saturday this weekend at firebird.

[BADASS03SVT]

LOL maybe this weekend. It is hot here now, but it should cool to the 80's during the late night runs. I have to get the two step wired into the transbrake switch.

ice is your friend!

good luck if you go....I wanna see some sub 10s high 9s!

[no_slow_svt]

your doing the two step and the transbrake?
just for launching purposes? so you can just put it up on the two step at 4 grand(or whatever) and not worry about looking at your rpms for the launch?

ive heard of the stick guys doing the two step to help build boost, but not really the auto guys.

[Lucafu1]

Great job Jeff. Did you ever think about going with the 4l80e? I cant wait to see how it does at the track.

[BurnTire]

your doing the two step and the transbrake?
just for launching purposes? so you can just put it up on the two step at 4 grand(or whatever) and not worry about looking at your rpms for the launch?

ive heard of the stick guys doing the two step to help build boost, but not really the auto guys.

A two step with a transbrake is the norm with racers. I plan to set it 500 rpms below the transbrake stall. It "takes a shot at the converter" as my builder states. You will be accelerating into the stall instead of sitting on the max stall. It is also easier on the converter.

[BurnTire]

Great job Jeff. Did you ever think about going with the 4l80e? I cant wait to see how it does at the track.

Nope TH-400 has been the plane from the beginning. When I get the 9" in I am going to pull some gear out of the car. With 28" drag radials it will cruise comfortably at 65mph on the highway.

[BurnTire]

Here is some more info on the two step/ transbrake reasoning.


With a trans brake most racers use a 2 step at a predetermined rpm below where the converter reaches peak stall speed. At full stall speed the converter is not multiplying any torque, so "2 stepping" below that will make the car launch better since there is more torque from multiplication by the stator in the converter.

[BADASS03SVT]

your doing the two step and the transbrake?
just for launching purposes? so you can just put it up on the two step at 4 grand(or whatever) and not worry about looking at your rpms for the launch?

ive heard of the stick guys doing the two step to help build boost, but not really the auto guys.

otherway around. an auto will build boost because its under load. when you have the clutch pressed in there is zero load on the motor and its really hard to build boost

[no_slow_svt]

thanks again for all the info guys.
im just waiting on the trans shop to finish up my trans and it ON!

well i just have to order a drive shaft once its in the car.

im going to look into that 2step though.
MSD a good one?

[BurnTire]

thanks again for all the info guys.
im just waiting on the trans shop to finish up my trans and it ON!

well i just have to order a drive shaft once its in the car.

im going to look into that 2step though.
MSD a good one?

Yes MSD makes a kit that is plug and play on a modular motor.

[fazm]

+1 on the msd, its what i use for my 2step

[BADASS03SVT]

+1 on the msd, its what i use for my 2step

+2 same here

[BurnTire]

New T-Handle Shift Knob. :pinkthumb:

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[BurnTire]

http://www.highperformancestangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8851

[BurnTire]

CSR tranny vent catch can.

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[BADASS03SVT]

why did you put it in the engine bay? I have seen other do it too. But imo, what IF (I know..the what IF factor!!) something happens to the line or connection comes loose and you spill. just a big mess to clean up!

and how will you check/drain it? i thought the TCI Pro-x was a great setup. easy to drain too.

[BurnTire]

why did you put it in the engine bay? I have seen other do it too. But imo, what IF (I know..the what IF factor!!) something happens to the line or connection comes loose and you spill. just a big mess to clean up!

and how will you check/drain it? i thought the TCI Pro-x was a great setup. easy to drain too.

There was absolutely no room under the car. I wanted it to vent into the bottom of the can, then any fluid would just drain back into the tranny but that wouldn't work with the limited room so the tube enters from the top. There is a drain on the bottom of the can and I can pop the top vent nut to take a look into the can. With how far up the line goes UP I doubt fluid will ever reach the can. It may spit a little out on the top end of the track that would just drain back into the tranny.

The TCI looks like a nice setup.

[no_slow_svt]

what trans temp do you guys see on the street normally?

and do you guys build boost good off the trans brake?

i ask cause my trans temp seems a bit high, at 200/210 on the street, and on the trans brake my car sits at 3500 rpms and only builds about 4psi?

thanks
J

[BurnTire]

what trans temp do you guys see on the street normally?

and do you guys build boost good off the trans brake?

i ask cause my trans temp seems a bit high, at 200/210 on the street, and on the trans brake my car sits at 3500 rpms and only builds about 4psi?

thanks
J

I have never seen above 200.

Did you have a cooler with a fan on it? If so wire it to run at all times like I did.

In the 100+ days cruising around my temp is usually 180.

When it is cool out 160.

I have a blower so I see 20 PSI on the transbrake.

It is not good to sit on the TB for more than a few seconds. It generates massive amounts of heat and is very hard on the converter.

[no_slow_svt]

I have never seen above 200.

Did you have a cooler with a fan on it? If so wire it to run at all times like I did.

In the 100+ days cruising around my temp is usually 180.

When it is cool out 160.

I have a blower so I see 20 PSI on the transbrake.

It is not good to sit on the TB for more than a few seconds. It generates massive amounts of heat and is very hard on the converter.

yeah i have the small B&M super cooler, but i mounted it in the rear, cause i dont have any room up front from all the all TT piping.
the fan kicks on at 170

[no_slow_svt]

here is a couple pics of my build

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r273/no_slow_svt/IMG_0359.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r273/no_slow_svt/IMG_0326.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r273/no_slow_svt/IMG_0323.jpg
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r273/no_slow_svt/IMG_0615.jpg
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[BurnTire]

Looks good. I have the large cooler and I wired the fan to a manual switch and run it all the time. Maybe you don't have enough cooler with the small unit.

Is that a UCC converter?

Are you running a two step in conjunction with the transbrake?

[no_slow_svt]

Looks good. I have the large cooler and I wired the fan to a manual switch and run it all the time. Maybe you don't have enough cooler with the small unit.

Is that a UCC converter?

Are you running a two step in conjunction with the transbrake?


yeah its a UCC converter, right now im just running the trans brake, might get the two step later, i wanna see how it is just on the brake for now.

but right now my trans brake doesnt seem right, it wont rev higher than 3500rpms and and the boost only goes up to 4psi,

I also have to get my speedo to work. i hooked that up to my rear ABS toner ring, and nothing is registering, (maybe i have the wires backwards, im going to rewire it and try it again)

[BurnTire]

yeah its a UCC converter, right now im just running the trans brake, might get the two step later, i wanna see how it is just on the brake for now.

but right now my trans brake doesnt seem right, it wont rev higher than 3500rpms and and the boost only goes up to 4psi,

I also have to get my speedo to work. i hooked that up to my rear ABS toner ring, and nothing is registering, (maybe i have the wires backwards, im going to rewire it and try it again)

How long are you sitting on the brake?
What stall was the converter built for?

The RPM's will stop increasing when the converter locks.

Do you still have the ABS hooked up?

[no_slow_svt]

How long are you sitting on the brake?
What stall was the converter built for?

The RPM's will stop increasing when the converter locks.

Do you still have the ABS hooked up?

i first tryed to keep everythign hooked up(ABS) and just tap into the one rear sensor with the two wires off the speed sensor. and that didnt work, then i disconnected the two wires going back to the computer from the ABS sensor, and now the ABS is just wired into the two wires from the speed sensor that was on my old T45.
so im thinking maybe i have the wires backward, so ill try switching them around and running it that way. im hoping i didnt mess anything up by trying to run the abs and the speedo off the same wires.


as far as the converter goes, my stall is suppose to be about 4000, im fine with it stalling at 3500 ish, im just scraching my head on why it isnt building more boost.
ive tryed it twice now and the first time i was on it for about 4 secs and the second time i was on it longer(maybe 7-9 secs)

it seems to build boost just fine under normal driving though.

[BADASS03SVT]

yeah its a UCC converter, right now im just running the trans brake, might get the two step later, i wanna see how it is just on the brake for now.

but right now my trans brake doesnt seem right, it wont rev higher than 3500rpms and and the boost only goes up to 4psi,

I also have to get my speedo to work. i hooked that up to my rear ABS toner ring, and nothing is registering, (maybe i have the wires backwards, im going to rewire it and try it again)

all the turbo guys had problems with this when they first started doing auto's. it was figured out by adjusting the tune somewhat. U belueve it had to do with timing in the low rpms, specifically around your stall.

if its going to 3500 on the brake thats good...for a turbo car at least. I would search over on ModFords or SVTP in the turbo sections. lots of threads on it.

[BurnTire]

i first tryed to keep everythign hooked up(ABS) and just tap into the one rear sensor with the two wires off the speed sensor. and that didnt work, then i disconnected the two wires going back to the computer from the ABS sensor, and now the ABS is just wired into the two wires from the speed sensor that was on my old T45.
so im thinking maybe i have the wires backward, so ill try switching them around and running it that way. im hoping i didnt mess anything up by trying to run the abs and the speedo off the same wires.


as far as the converter goes, my stall is suppose to be about 4000, im fine with it stalling at 3500 ish, im just scraching my head on why it isnt building more boost.
ive tryed it twice now and the first time i was on it for about 4 secs and the second time i was on it longer(maybe 7-9 secs)

it seems to build boost just fine under normal driving though.

Read my thread real close on the ABS to speedo conversion. My diagrams are from an 03/04 cobra. It should work ok on your car. There are only 2 wires so maybe they are reversed.

I would talk to lenny about the converter maybe it is a little too tight for your application. I had to send mine back one time for an adjustment. Or maybe it is tune related like badass said.

[no_slow_svt]

hope its just tune related. it seems to build boost just fine while normal driving.
ill talk to my tuner about it before i make the drive to him.

as far as the speedo, i took my time with the install, and its only really a 2 wire hook up, but i dont think it will hurt to swap them and give it a try.
if it doesnt work after i swap the wires, then ill be scratchin my head. maybe ill have to bite the bullet and buy the $200 worth of conversion parts:(

thanks for your help though guys
J

[331COUPE]

hey how much was the bellhousing i would like to do this to my 88 i have blown 3rd gear out twice in one month tko 500 what a pile of junk

[BurnTire]

hey how much was the bellhousing i would like to do this to my 88 i have blown 3rd gear out twice in one month tko 500 what a pile of junk I believe they are about $350 from JW.

[no_slow_svt]

hey how much was the bellhousing i would like to do this to my 88 i have blown 3rd gear out twice in one month tko 500 what a pile of junk

i went with the PA Racing cause JW is dragging thier feet with the new casting.
i believe it was a tad more than the JW though. like 400ish

[BurnTire]

i went with the PA Racing cause JW is dragging their feet with the new casting.
i believe it was a tad more than the JW though. like 400ish

I was going to go that route also, but I was able to locate a new JW in the parts market. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the PA uses an adapter ring for the TH-400 so if you ever went to a Glide or C4 you could use the bell housing by purchasing the correct adapter ring which is a nice feature.

[no_slow_svt]

I was going to go that route also, but I was able to locate a new JW in the parts market. Correct me if I am wrong but I believe the PA uses an adapter ring for the TH-400 so if you ever went to a Glide or C4 you could use the bell housing by purchasing the correct adapter ring which is a nice feature.
im not sure on the swapping stuff, but it does have an adaptor ring, its a very nice setup though. the guy that did my trans said he is going to start using them over the JW from now on.
here are acouple pics
http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r273/no_slow_svt/IMG_0358.jpg
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[BurnTire]

As recommended by my converter builder I switched over to John Deere Hy-Guard Hydraulic Transmission Oil from Dexron 3. The results are 20 degrees cooler trans temps on average and the converter tightened up 200 RPMs on the transbrake. Shifts are very nice.

[BADASS03SVT]

As recommended by my converter builder I switched over to John Deere Hy-Guard Hydraulic Transmission Oil from Dexron 3. The results are 20 degrees cooler trans temps on average and the converter tightened up 200 RPMs on the transbrake. Shifts are very nice.

interesting. Ive heard of this but never knew anyone that actually did it.

whats th eprice of the stuff?

[BurnTire]

interesting. Ive heard of this but never knew anyone that actually did it.

whats th eprice of the stuff?

I paid $68 for 5 gallons.
http://www.deere.com/en_US/parts/partsinfo/oils_and_lubricants/oil_hydraulic.html

The only caution is usage in cold weather (not a problem in phoenix). A good tranny warmup is required in the cold climates.

Lenny from Ultimate Converters recommended I try it to get the converter a little tighter on the trans brake. I am at about 3700 now. Hutch and Rossler also recommend it.

[silvrsvt]

does she run like a deer now? :biglaugh:

[Blackmagic1]

does she run like a deer now? :biglaugh: Ha ! I was just thinkin of sayin that !:laughing1: Good One ! Are you going to bring yer "Altered Snake" to the Monsoon Show ??

[BurnTire]

Ha ! I was just thinkin of sayin that !:laughing1: Good One ! Are you going to bring yer "Altered Snake" to the Monsoon Show ?? If I can get the day off the Cobra Deere:hyper: will be there.:yes:

[BurnTire]

Datalogs show the John Deere Hy-Guard dropped the transbrake stall 210 rpm.

[BurnTire]

To setup your safety switch on your auto shifter you first need to locate the clutch safety switch on the left side of the clutch pedal. Pull out the connector. I took 2 male flat wire connector and filed them slightly to fit into the female slots of the connector. Run the wires to your auto shifter safety switch and your done.

3492

[no_slow_svt]

As recommended by my converter builder I switched over to John Deere Hy-Guard Hydraulic Transmission Oil from Dexron 3. The results are 20 degrees cooler trans temps on average and the converter tightened up 200 RPMs on the transbrake. Shifts are very nice.

hmmm. no kiddin? i may give that a shot.

[BurnTire]

I created a single page on the install.

Complete TH-400 Install Information --- Click Here (http://www.highperformancestangs.com/forums/content.php/29-Turbo-400-Swap-Conversion-2004-Mustang-Cobra)

[Mr.GSXR1000]

hey guys i got my th400 swap in and love it, just braking in my tranny for couple miles and seeing for leaks, my check engine light came on though and i was wondering if that was cause i didnt use some of hte 6spd sensors from the harnest or cause my mph tach is not working right now..just wondering and soon want to find out how to hook the speedo up...thanks

[Mr.GSXR1000]

anyone have a driveshaft that they want to sell? That would work with a th400 powered car, just pm me or let me know thanks, Need asap

[BurnTire]

If you don't have ABS hooked up this is how you can do the speedo.
http://www.highperformancestangs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7952


Call up dynotech and they can get you a driveshaft in a few days for about $400.

[Mr.GSXR1000]

did you check engine light come on by not having all t56 harness hooked up or anything, our deisel shop locally i got making me one thanks though

[BurnTire]

did you check engine light come on by not having all t56 harness hooked up or anything, our deisel shop locally i got making me one thanks though

My T-56 harness is still hooked up. The front ABS sensor is hooked to the speedo input and the reverse lights are hooked to the shifter. If you have no speedo input I know it will throw an OSS code.

[Mr.GSXR1000]

My T-56 harness is still hooked up. The front ABS sensor is hooked to the speedo input and the reverse lights are hooked to the shifter. If you have no speedo input I know it will throw an OSS code.

my harness is still hooked up also wiht the 02 sensors on the x pipe also, but there are 2 sensors i think that are not hooked up that hooked into the t56 tranny, but just didnt know. Ill try to find someone that knows alot abonut wiring and get them to try to hook up speedo

[BurnTire]

See what code the car is throwing.

[Mr.GSXR1000]

okay man thanks and sure it cant be nothing big but just bugged me

[Bullitt5094]

Nice write-up.

[BurnTire]

Thanks

[Bullitt5094]

Do you have any problem with the position of the shifter being so much farther back than stock?

[BurnTire]

Not at all. I am 6ft so I keep the seat way back. It is in a perfect location.

[Bullitt5094]

Where did you get the Carbon Fibers fillers to cover the old shifter location and the driveshaft tunnel?
Did you consider a C4 and if so why did you go with the 400 instead?
Are you running a lock-up converter? If so, are you locking it on your passes?
I'm currently running a 4R70W that is EEC controlled on my passes with a Lock-up converter. It's doing very well and has been in my car for a couple of years and a ton of passes but, I'm considering the next level so I'm in the research mode right now. One thing I would like to have is an OD tranny, but I'm not sure there is one out there that will hold up. I may actually stick with the 4R until some development is made on the new 6Rs. It seems to be holding up really well even in stock configuration. Would be really cool to have a 6 speed, manual valve body race tranny. I appreciate you allowing me to pick your brain!
Thanks!

[WildBill]

Where did you get the Carbon Fibers fillers to cover the old shifter location and the driveshaft tunnel?
Did you consider a C4 and if so why did you go with the 400 instead?
Are you running a lock-up converter? If so, are you locking it on your passes?
I'm currently running a 4R70W that is EEC controlled on my passes with a Lock-up converter. It's doing very well and has been in my car for a couple of years and a ton of passes but, I'm considering the next level so I'm in the research mode right now. One thing I would like to have is an OD tranny, but I'm not sure there is one out there that will hold up. I may actually stick with the 4R until some development is made on the new 6Rs. It seems to be holding up really well even in stock configuration. Would be really cool to have a 6 speed, manual valve body race tranny. I appreciate you allowing me to pick your brain!
Thanks!

Just have Darin go back thru it and then put a manual valvebody in it!

As far as the new 6 spd, someone would have to make a new controller to put in your BULLITT.

[Bullitt5094]

Just have Darin go back thru it and then put a manual valvebody in it!

Already working with Darrin on that but still always interested in at least learning about other paths. The car is making almost 800hp right now with a measly T-Trim, 16psi and 18 deg of timing. I put a turbo on it and start launching it off a TB bad things could happen. That being said, no one thought the 4r would handle what I'm doing with it right now either. Darrin's really come up with some great hardware to go into these. I don't think anyone knows what the limit is right now, but just in case I find it, I want to have an idea what a good next step would be. I still have people tell me I can't lock-up my converter at WOT but I've done it on every pass I've made with this tranny. Just shows what we don't know about it.

As far as the 6r in the Bullitt, I'm actually running a Mach 1 Automatic processor so it would need to interface with it, not the Bullitt EEC. Darrin is really wanting to get into the 6R too but your right, no cross-over controllers available yet or manual valve bodies that I'm aware of either. Don't need a controller with that.

[BurnTire]

No lockup on the converter, but it is very tight. C4 is a little lighter, but no where near as strong. I wanted a tranny that will last for street strip duty. I have all the lighweight Rossler internals with the terminator 3 model. The tranny has been perfect so far. I will get you the console info when I get home.

[BurnTire]

Amazing after all these years I still get questions about this install. TH-400 is a good decision to go fast.:thmbsup: