Discuss my decision NOT to purchase an 03/04 Cobra

[Radeon]

After many, many weeks of pondering and listening to peoples advise, I have decided not to purchase an 03/04 Cobra. I've always kinda liked the exterior and love the interiors of the S197 based Mustangs. Im 95% sure that Im going to purchase a 05 Mustang GT, buy Ford GT engine block/heads, six speed, and a big 2.4 Kenne Bell. This way, I can make my own "custom" GT500. I'd have something thats one of a kind. Im going to purchase in July when I return from my vacation to Indiana. In the mean time, what all will I need besides the obvious? I will start purchasing over the next 5 months or so and have Performance Solutions swap everything over this fall/winter. Please let me know what you think of this and any advice you may have. Thanks.

[Akuma]

After many, many weeks of pondering and listening to peoples advise, I have decided not to purchase an 03/04 Cobra. I've always kinda liked the exterior and love the interiors of the S197 based Mustangs. Im 95% sure that Im going to purchase a 05 Mustang GT, buy Ford GT engine block/heads, six speed, and a big 2.4 Kenne Bell. This way, I can make my own "custom" GT500. I'd have something thats one of a kind. Im going to purchase in July when I return from my vacation to Indiana. In the mean time, what all will I need besides the obvious? I will start purchasing over the next 5 months or so and have Performance Solutions swap everything over this fall/winter. Please let me know what you think of this and any advice you may have. Thanks.

OK why the Mustang "Gt". I mean you arnt keeping anything from it that clost a lot. So **** it buy a Blown V6 and start from scrach. Buy some Gt500 Pannels and shit then the sets. ****ing Golden! I mean shit you are already getting a (ford) Gt Block and six speed, **** it and just buy a built rearend. Plus you will be saving a shit load of money over the mustang GT.

Trust me if i could have done it that way in the first place i would.

Just my $0.02,
Kyle

[Akuma]

Oh, and one last thing. **** THE 2.4L!!!!!!!!!!!! Way not worth it! Bang vs buck your better off with a 2.3 or a single turbo. The 2.4L isnt worth doing it unless your running 25+ boost. Even then ....UM BELTSLIP. There is alwasys the cog drive option but then add some more cash. I would say go with a 80+ single Turbo and have some fun. The kenny will just get you pissed off.

[50 BMG]

Kyle feels about the same as I do on this.

Most important point: Don't waste time buying a GT. Get a V6 (ideally with a blown engine or something like that) and drop in w/e powerplant you want to.

[Dan]

Who cares buy something already I ****ing dont care if it is a Yugo just buy something


is my banner done yet ?????? if not let me know because I will be forced to advertize on other boards

[Radeon]

Who cares buy something already I ****ing dont care if it is a Yugo just buy something


is my banner done yet ?????? if not let me know because I will be forced to advertize on other boards

I would by something already, but my credit isn't ****ing grade A perfect like most peoples. My wife and I just bought an 05 Altima for her that required $2000 ****ing down. Her having a vehicle is much more important than me having one at the moment.

And yes, your banner is done. Dont have a fit over it because your getting it for free and your advertising on this site is all going to be free for now. I have my own biz too as do you. You seem pretty busy with it as I am with mine. It'll be on here sometime this weekend.

FWIW, the reason for our credit problems is all do to when I lost my job in Indiana. I havent been able to buy(until April 11th) because we have been in CH7 Bankruptcy in Indiana. Its not something Im really proud of, but shit happens. It was discharged this past Tuesday and we went and got the Altima. I dont think I need to explain anything any further. I will get a car when I get a good deal. Its not like Im desperate for one being that I do all the work with my biz at night and watch my daughter during the day.

Anyways, I was thinking that maybe I should look into a six cylinder. How much diffrence is there between the interior of the GT and a six? I may stop and look at a dealership later.

[Dan]

Relax I just want you to buy a car taht way you participate in mpore events. as for the banner thank you and i will pay for it as i have already stated before you started on it. I dont expect anything for free.

thanks Dan

[BurnTire]

I would by something already, but my credit isn't ****ing grade A perfect like most peoples. My wife and I just bought an 05 Altima for her that required $2000 ****ing down. Her having a vehicle is much more important than me having one at the moment.

And yes, your banner is done. Dont have a fit over it because your getting it for free and your advertising on this site is all going to be free for now. I have my own biz too as do you. You seem pretty busy with it as I am with mine. It'll be on here sometime this weekend.

FWIW, the reason for our credit problems is all do to when I lost my job in Indiana. I havent been able to buy(until April 11th) because we have been in CH7 Bankruptcy in Indiana. Its not something Im really proud of, but shit happens. It was discharged this past Tuesday and we went and got the Altima. I dont think I need to explain anything any further. I will get a car when I get a good deal. Its not like Im desperate for one being that I do all the work with my biz at night and watch my daughter during the day.

Anyways, I was thinking that maybe I should look into a six cylinder. How much diffrence is there between the interior of the GT and a six? I may stop and look at a dealership later.

Don't kill yourself financially over a car. Get what you can afford. Before you do anything build a rainy day bank account and get the credit rating back up. I new car is always nice, but you can go dam fast in an older mustang also. There are lots of options in the mustang world. I wish I still had my 90 LX. I had about 18K total into the car and it ran 11.40's You don't have to explain anything. Shit happens financially learn from it and press on in your quest for horse power.:cool:

[Lucafu1]

i would save the money and get a GT with a saleen blower. get some 39# inj. from a cobra and a SCT MAF, Tuner, exhaust and call is a day.

[Radeon]

i would save the money and get a GT with a saleen blower. get some 39# inj. from a cobra and a SCT MAF, Tuner, exhaust and call is a day.

Im going to get a 05 V6 premium and get the 5.4 alum block and the GT heads. I dont even know if this kind of conversion has been done before. Im sure it will be alot of work, but in the end I'll have exactly what I want. I can get a six for 17-20K. The cheapest GT I've seen around is around 26K. The diffrence can buy the engine, trans, and rear that I want.

[BurnTire]

Im going to get a 05 V6 premium and get the 5.4 alum block and the GT heads. I dont even know if this kind of conversion has been done before. Im sure it will be alot of work, but in the end I'll have exactly what I want. I can get a six for 17-20K. The cheapest GT I've seen around is around 26K. The diffrence can buy the engine, trans, and rear that I want.

Sounds like a good plan

[Radeon]

Anyone have a good idea on what parts will be needed?

5.4 alum shortblock
GT heads
Crowler Stg III cams
Kenne Bell/Whipple
6speed out of a 03/04 Cobra
Driveshaft
Built 8.8 rearend
Computer/harness?
GT or Gt500 instrument cluster?

I plan on saving every bit of weight as possible. Rear seat delete, aftermarket front seats, etc.

[50 BMG]

You'll have over 7K in the cams, heads and GT block if you can still find one. Thats just for the price of the parts.

The 6 speed out of the new Shelby is better than the T56 also. Might want to price that out in comparison.

[Radeon]

You'll have over 7K in the cams, heads and GT block if you can still find one. Thats just for the price of the parts.

The 6 speed out of the new Shelby is better than the T56 also. Might want to price that out in comparison.

Thats what I figured. I figure it will be about 15K or so for all I want to do. That would put total price between 30-35K. Not too bad at all considering what an 03/04 cobra costs around here. Definately a good deal considering what the GT500's will be going for. Hopefully I can get 750 at the wheels relatively easy. Anyone see the JDM alum 5.4 short block in the last couple of mm&ff mags? Thinking about calling them up tomorrow and getting a quote.

[Venomous Bite]

If there is one thing I have learned its take whatever you think it is going to cost and add 50% this will give you a truly accurate cost estimate.

[50 BMG]

I figure it will be about 15K or so for all I want to do.

First off DO NOT use any 5.4L aluminum block except the Ford GT's. The SHM and World blocks have already failed more than once a piece.

Second, you will have over 15K in the engine itself.

GT block $2800 on karkraft.com
GT heads $1500 on Ebay once or twice a month from the same guy (stangin)
Crower cam/spring/retainer setup 1300 minimum if you can get a group buy or dealer cost through Dan or Jared @ LP.com
Crower valves $800
Bearings $100
5.4 Forged crank $550
CP Billet pistons and rods $2100
Canton windage tray $80
Canton street/strip 7 qt. Pan $250

So thats $9500 for the absolute essential parts alone (excluding the ~$1000 you'll need for head and rod bolts, head gaskets, valve covers, intake manifold etc.) AND before any labor/machining if needed.

Now add in your optional "upgrades"...

$1000-2000 for head work.
$2000-3000 for starter provision work (mandatory) and a conversion to wet sump system (not mandatory and I'd stick to a dry sump if at all possible)
$1500 for wet sleeve
$ ? for balancing the rotating assembly
$ God knows for the more than likely custom headers for it to fit into a stang's engine bay.

And on and on.


If there is one thing I have learned its take whatever you think it is going to cost and add 50% this will give you a truly accurate cost estimate.

Hmm, sounds like a labor quote from SVC...

[sovapid]

To me it seems like that would be an endless blackhole for money and heartache. Everything would be custom (can you even get a KB for the GT heads on a 5.4).

It would definately be cool, but unless your are sitting on a mountain of money and/or can perform the work yourself, I wouldn't do it.

I agree with lucaful, if you want the new style mustang, get the gt and put a saleen blower on it. Build the bottom end if you want to go for bigger power.

If you can't find any Cobras that you like around here, look nationwide and spend a few hundred for a plane ticket: Cars.com search. (http://www.cars.com/go/search/fs_search_results.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=22&cid=&dlid=&dgid=&amid=&cname=&zc=85281&makeid=14&modelid=179&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=100&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&criteria=K-cobra%7CE-ALL%7CM-_14_%7CG-30000%7CB-30000%7CA-24000%7CH-%7CD-_179_%7CN-N%7CR-10000%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CY-_2004-2003_%7CX-popular%7CZ-85281&aff=national&aff=national)

Pick up a Cobra and a Helion turbo kit and you can get to 700ish hp relatively easy. (Relative to what you listed above. Still quite a bit of work) Cobra for $25 - 30K and $10k for turbo and supporting mods.

[50 BMG]

To me it seems like that would be an endless blackhole for money and heartache. Everything would be custom (can you even get a KB for the GT heads on a 5.4).

It would definately be cool, but unless your are sitting on a mountain of money and/or can perform the work yourself, I wouldn't do it.

I was going to do the same build as I listed out above. As you can see, doing it right the first time would cost me 20 grand. I abandoned the Ford GT engine build about a month ago now.

I'm thinking of just buying a GT outright in 2008 or 2009 when they're going to be at the lowest price and with the most availability.

[Gene]

Sounds expensive. Good luck on your decision. Horsepower is like crack, you'll always want more. I'm currently in therapy.

[Radeon]

I posted about this over at modularfords.com. Most people over there suggest that I get a GT instead of a V6. Their reasoning is that I would have a better base car to start with. It would already have the 8.8 w/ 31 spline axles, better interior, better suspension, it would be much easier to use the GT's wiring harness and computer for the 5.4, and it would be more enjoyable to drive until the conversion. Someone suggested that I would have to have the varible valve timing shut off in the tune and thats it.

I also emailed JDM Motorsports about their Ford GT based shortblock. The price is VERY HIGH, but it comes ready to slap heads on and go. Below is their response to my email.

"Ryan,

The Aluminum Shortblock as we built in the magazine is capable of handling 1500 HP. We do have them instock ready to ship. They come with manley h beam rods with arp 2000 rod bolts, Manley std bore pistons with plasma moly rings, new bearings, arp custom made main studs, the gt windage tray, piston squirtters, Oil Pump, oil pump spacer, pick up tube, Custom made Oil pan and gasket. This also comes one year no detonation warrantied! The shortblock is $7645. Now I know you said this is for an 05 mustang, the only thing I can think that maybe necessary to install it is a driverside motor mount, you may not, its just we have only installed these in Lightning's and Cobra's so far. We are working on getting one in our 05 mustang but probably not untill after the summer.

JimIII"

I think Im going to go through with this. Im going to purchase the middle of June. The wife and I are getting our own place finally the first of June. I'll buy the shortblock before I buy the car just in case there is a shortage of blocks or anything.

Here's part one of the magazine article he's referring to.
http://www.teamjdm.com/articles/JDM_Motor.pdf

[Fosters]

After many, many weeks of pondering and listening to peoples advise, I have decided not to purchase an 03/04 Cobra. I've always kinda liked the exterior and love the interiors of the S197 based Mustangs. Im 95% sure that Im going to purchase a 05 Mustang GT, buy Ford GT engine block/heads, six speed, and a big 2.4 Kenne Bell. This way, I can make my own "custom" GT500. I'd have something thats one of a kind. Im going to purchase in July when I return from my vacation to Indiana. In the mean time, what all will I need besides the obvious? I will start purchasing over the next 5 months or so and have Performance Solutions swap everything over this fall/winter. Please let me know what you think of this and any advice you may have. Thanks.

i bought a mach and figured i'll buy my own internals, kb, and a t56; and now that i'm almost 25 and insurance isn't gonna be a problem soon, i wish i would have started off with a cobra. just my 2 cents..