Where to American Gas????

[Jacostang]

Interesting>>>>

I DON'T PRESUME TO TELL YOU WHERE TO BUY YOUR GAS, BUT IF WE HAD THAT CHOICE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT FIND THIS AS INTERESTING AS I DID.


WHERE TO BUY YOUR USA-GAS

WHERE TO BUY YOUR USA-GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON--
Gas rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it.
It might even be good for us!

The Saudis are boycotting American goods.

We should return the favor.

An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS.
Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis.


Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family , and my friends.

I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.

These companies import Middle Eastern oil:

Shell.......................... 205,742,000 barrels
Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels
Exxon /Mobil..............130,082,000 barrels
Marathon/Speedway..117,740,000 barrels
Amoco..........................62,231,000 barrels

Citgo Gas comes from South America , from a Dictator who hates Americans.

Do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION! (Oil is now $90-$95 a barrel)

Here are some large companies that
DO NOT import Middle Eastern oil:

Sunoco................0 barrels
Conoco................0 barrels
Sinclair................0 barrels
BP/Phillips..........0 barrels
Hess....................0 barrels
ARC0. ..................0 barrels
Also: Pilot, Flying J, Love's, RaceTrac, Valero

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
they are importing.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. It's really simple to do.

[ASUSMC]

What about QT?

[AZSonicSnake]

thats what i was wondering...and were does costco get thier gas? i put costco in the wifes car and my ranger...

[wickedcobra]

easy fix for the Middle East=


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[93mustank]

easy fix for the Middle East=


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totally agree

[mfj]

+2!!!

[IMSHAKN]

Glad I'm not sending money to the Saudis every time I fill up with gas from Valero.

[The Nunn's]

CITGO is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the national oil company of Venezuela,
so naturally most of its crude oil comes from there. However, in February 2002
CITGO also imported from Middle Eastern countries in the following quantities:

Iraq: 1,342,000 barrels
Kuwait: 437,000 barrels

Conoco imports primarily from Mexico, Venezuela, and Canada, and not from
Middle Eastern countries. However, they are planning to merge with Phillips,
which does import from Middle Eastern countries (see below).
BP imports from a variety of oil-producing countries, but in February 2002 BP
North America also imported from Middle Eastern countries in the following
quantities:
Iraq: 470,000 barrels
Kuwait: 415,000 barrels
Saudi Arabia: 2,123,000 barrels
Algeria: 3,853,000 barrels

Phillips also imports from a variety of oil-producing countries, but in
February 2002 Phillips imported from Middle Eastern countries in the following
quantities:
Iraq: 717,000 barrels
Saudi Arabia: 1,100,000 barrels

Sinclair imports from Canada, not the Middle East.
Sunoco imports primarily from Canada, Angola, and Nigeria, not Middle Eastern
countries.
So, "doing the math" and multiplying these monthly figures by $30/barrel and
projecting them over the course of a year, supporting only the companies listed
above would still be putting $3.76 billion dollars per year in the coffers of
Middle Eastern
countries.
Statistics aside, the glaring fallacy here is the suggestion that we could
possibly buy our gasoline only from these selected companies. This notion is
like claiming that we could put the big grocery chains out of business if we all
bought our food only from small mom & pop stores, but ignoring the fact that
these small shops couldn't possibly come close to supplying all our grocery
needs. The oil companies named above are relatively small (which is a large part
of the reason why they don't necessarily import from the Middle East) and could
not satisfy the demand that would be created if a significant portion of the
USA's consumer base were to shun all the largest oil companies, unless they
bought up the output of the companies we were supposed to be avoiding in the
first place (or, alternatively, unless they raised their prices sky-high).
Moreover, the idea that oil companies sell gasoline only through their branded
service stations, and therefore if you don't buy gasoline from Shell-branded gas
stations you're not sending money to Shell (or, by extension, the Middle East),
is wrong. Oil companies sell their output through a variety of outlets other
than their branded stations; as well, by the time crude oil gets from the ground
into our gasoline tanks, there's no practical way for consumers to know exactly
where it came from. (A good deal of the crude oil purchased from Russia, for
example, is oil from Iraqi fields sold through Russian middlemen.)
As the St. Louis Post-Dispatch noted:
Economics Prof. Pat Welch of St. Louis University says any boycott of "bad guy"
gasoline in favor of "good guy" brands would have some unintended (and unhappy)
results.
Although foreign relations wax and wane, Welch says, the law of supply and
demand is set in stone. "To meet the sudden demand," he says, "the good guys
would have to buy gasoline wholesale from the bad guys, who are suddenly stuck
with unwanted gasoline."
So motorists would end up buying Arab oil anyway — and paying more for it,
because they'd be buying it at fewer stations.
And yes, oil companies do buy and sell from one another. Mike Right of AAA
Missouri says, "If a company has a station that can be served more economically
by a competitor's refinery, they'll do it."
Right adds, "In some cases, gasoline retailers have no refinery at all. Some
convenience-store chains sell a lot of gasoline — and buy it all from somebody
else's refinery."
St. Louis University's Welch says, "The e-mail presupposes that you know who the
supplier is, and that's not always the case."
Finally, what this scheme proposes is merely a symbolic solution rather than a
practical one, because even if the USA stopped importing oil from the Middle
East, other countries will still purchase it. (Japan alone, for example,
generally buys as much or more oil from countries such as Saudi Arabia and
Kuwait than the USA does.)
Complex problems rarely lend themselves to simple, painless answers. Simply
shifting where we buy gasoline isn't nearly as good a solution as the much
tougher choice of sharply curtailing the amount of gasoline we buy.


in short, while these companies may not buy all or even most of their gasoline from the middle east, at some point, there is not enough oil in the other places of the world to supply the US with gas as needed. buying more gas from the listed places will force them to import from the middle east as they have done b4 when needed.

buying from those places won't even take the money away from the middle east. at it states, it'll get at least 36 billion a year from those companies that are listed as getting 0 barrels from the middle east. :icon_rolleyes:


http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/saudigas.asp

Love, Morgan

[wickedcobra]

Like I said


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[wickedcobra]

If the US would actually use more oil from Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, we could tell those darn sand...I mean saudis to piss off. Then magically the cost of gas would drop. Its called supply and demand. Sounds easy I guess, but too many politicians would loose too much money. So in the mean time I guess we will just take it in the :bananabang:


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[FalconGTHO]

Lol. Not nukes, that presents too many practical, logistical headaches in the aftermath.

Gas em. Kills them, leaves the infrastructure in place and no safety hazard with fallout or radioactivity.

[IMSHAKN]

Lol. Not nukes, that presents too many practical, logistical headaches in the aftermath.

Gas em. Kills them, leaves the infrastructure in place and no safety hazard with fallout or radioactivity.

Now we are talking. :biglaugh:

[wickedcobra]

Im all about shock and awe.......just level it, wait 10 years then build the biggest Disney land there is.

[chewbaccajones]

Oil prices probably would not even go down that much if we 'boycotted' or put an embargo in place. China now has a huge demand for oil so we are effed either way.

I think every citizen of the UAE gets an "oil check" every month, kind of like our casino indians here get casino money.

[FalconGTHO]

Gas China then too. Or first.

[wickedcobra]

With China having a standing army as large as the US population that would be a tuff one. But how knows a little GAS mixed with some boom boom...........

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[BurnTire]

Hey man I spent a bunch of time in Hong Kong and the Chinese are good working polite people. You never hear of them blowing themselves up.

The UAE natives don't have to work. The oil check pays for their living. All the workers in the UAE are imported. Only 15-20% of the UAE population are citizens. I have been there also.

[Jacostang]

^^^^ Thats just wrong but we helped create that!!